Urban vs. Rural; What's to be done?

[Hanarchy Montanarchy]

Have we come around to asking civilization to make us happy?

If you can't carve out the self-determination needed for meaningful happiness while living in the richest, most powerful civilization in the history of the world, then you were probably going to be pretty miserable no matter where you plopped down.

Want bonding, and a sense of community in the great outdoors? Make some fucking friends and go camping already. It ain't rocket science.

[nmoore63]

Everyone wants the benefits that come from urban areas without the sacrifices that gave those benefits.

Not I.

[nmoore63]

So you would contend that American society has become massively happier over the last 100 years?

Absolutely. Pick whatever metric you want. Health, nutrition, workplace safety, seniors living in poverty, children living in poverty, whatever. Your "but mah self determination!" Is totally a first world problem. We're not talking about the lack of self-determination that is slave has. You've got a hell of a lot more self-determination and life expectancy than a coal miner living in a company town in 1900.

If you want to argue that people living in poverty with a short life expectancy were happier than us nonetheless because they had family and Jaysus, I can't even begin.

I agree.

You can't even begin.

[Speaker to Animals]

Have we come around to asking civilization to make us happy?

If you can't carve out the self-determination needed for meaningful happiness while living in the richest, most powerful civilization in the history of the world, then you were probably going to be pretty miserable no matter where you plopped down.

Want bonding, and a sense of community in the great outdoors? Make some fucking friends and go camping already. It ain't rocket science.

It was the basis of America, but apparently most of is forgot..

[brewster]

Want bonding, and a sense of community in the great outdoors? Make some fucking friends and go camping already. It ain't rocket science.

Fuckin right! StA has bought the "noble savage" bullshit from 19th century pulp novels Hook Line & Sinker.

[Hanarchy Montanarchy]

Have we come around to asking civilization to make us happy?

If you can't carve out the self-determination needed for meaningful happiness while living in the richest, most powerful civilization in the history of the world, then you were probably going to be pretty miserable no matter where you plopped down.

Want bonding, and a sense of community in the great outdoors? Make some fucking friends and go camping already. It ain't rocket science.

It was the basis of America, but apparently most of is forgot..

What is preventing people in America from forming strong bonds of community? Or, availing themselves of all the edifying activities humans enjoy?

Being happy is time consuming, hard work. Always has been, always will be.

[Speaker to Animals]

Have we come around to asking civilization to make us happy?

If you can't carve out the self-determination needed for meaningful happiness while living in the richest, most powerful civilization in the history of the world, then you were probably going to be pretty miserable no matter where you plopped down.

Want bonding, and a sense of community in the great outdoors? Make some fucking friends and go camping already. It ain't rocket science.

It was the basis of America, but apparently most of is forgot..

What is preventing people in America from forming strong bonds of community? Or, availing themselves of all the edifying activities humans enjoy?

Being happy is time consuming, hard work. Always has been, always will be.

Government coupled with cultural Marxism.

Strong communities are antithetical to centralized state control, and they are based around male fraternity, which is antithetical to cultural marxism.

[brewster]

What is preventing people in America from forming strong bonds of community?.

Largely, it's obsessing about what other people are doing or possess that they disapprove of. I never got the impression Puritans were very happy people, but their legacy is strong.

[MilSpecs]

It goes back to what I just learned about our history. Many whites in early America were captured or otherwise ended up living with the Natives. After whites removed them from the tribes back to white society, white society struggled to keep them from absconding back to *their* tribe.

By all your metrics, colonials were better off. Better safety. Access to health care. Material wealth.

They were miserable here and escaped back to the tribes because they wanted happiness again.

The Light in the Forest is not a How To. That said, children will run back to a parent who beats them.

[MilSpecs]

Everyone wants the benefits that come from urban areas without the sacrifices that gave those benefits.

Not I.

Not I as in you don't want the benefits or as in you live in an urban area?