US Voting Qualifications Thread

[Hanarchy Montanarchy]

That's pretty much what is happening, dude.

Then actually creating different classes of citizens by disenfranchising portions of them isn't likely to change much.

[Kazmyr]

If you're getting the gibs, wouldn't that, acting as a barrier to vote, incentivize you to get off the gibs and become one of those who are qualified to vote?

What about public payroll and pension gibs also?

Maybe we're getting somewhere here . . .

Well seeing as they've boarded the USS Pension and set it on a course for a whole shitload of rocks, sure - why not?

Why would it, unless we are accepting that the receivers of gibs are more civic-minded than they are generally given credit for.

I heard that all they care about is voting themselves more gibs. If they are still getting gibs, then why do they care to vote. if they aren't getting gibs because the voters eliminated them, then the ex-gibs receivers become voters (assuming they have children, which, let's be honest, they probably do) in ape's scheme. Then they vote themselves gibs back and abandon their otherwise useless franchise.

Disenfranchise away I suppose. It should never be too difficult to find a reason to keep someone from self-government.

Is an argument that "Once a Gibs-ee, always a Gibs-ee?" a "Semper Gibs Me," if you will?

I still think that, should people be encouraged and incentivized to get off the Gibs, they may actually stay off the gibs. They have the option of not only self-government, but individual success as well. Gibs will only get you one of those (at best).

Seriously? It's only political now because we allow one state to dictate what the books are going to be using for the rest of the country. Instead of having a national school board agree on said information in said books.

It is also political because Unions force their people to picket for politicians...

If we taught kids how to think for themselves, how to come to a conclusion by study, research, and proper documentation, we actually may have a better future because people today take things at face value... which is also a problem because media systems such as CNN, etc which used to be great forms of information, which allowed us to make our own minds up. Now they are spoon feeding specific filtered information to people so that the agencies are making the minds up for the people instead of trusting people to make up their own minds.

People today are willing to do it because the education system is also built that way now... so you tell me... how do you fix our political system? You start by fixing our educational system.

You spent three sections pointing out how our education system is dictated by whims of the political; that the tentacles (somewhere Eichenwald just got hard) of the political system are deep in the education system.

My point is to take that shit out of the education system (which needs to be done politically), then you can start doing all the reforms you want. I don't disagree with those.

Which is going to be easier to do? Overhaul the education system using the political machinery, as is? Or doing it after a dramatic change in who votes?

[The Conservative]

If you're getting the gibs, wouldn't that, acting as a barrier to vote, incentivize you to get off the gibs and become one of those who are qualified to vote?

What about public payroll and pension gibs also?

Maybe we're getting somewhere here . . .

Well seeing as they've boarded the USS Pension and set it on a course for a whole shitload of rocks, sure - why not?

Why would it, unless we are accepting that the receivers of gibs are more civic-minded than they are generally given credit for.

I heard that all they care about is voting themselves more gibs. If they are still getting gibs, then why do they care to vote. if they aren't getting gibs because the voters eliminated them, then the ex-gibs receivers become voters (assuming they have children, which, let's be honest, they probably do) in ape's scheme. Then they vote themselves gibs back and abandon their otherwise useless franchise.

Disenfranchise away I suppose. It should never be too difficult to find a reason to keep someone from self-government.

Is an argument that "Once a Gibs-ee, always a Gibs-ee?" a "Semper Gibs Me," if you will?

I still think that, should people be encouraged and incentivized to get off the Gibs, they may actually stay off the gibs. They have the option of not only self-government, but individual success as well. Gibs will only get you one of those (at best).

Seriously? It's only political now because we allow one state to dictate what the books are going to be using for the rest of the country. Instead of having a national school board agree on said information in said books.

It is also political because Unions force their people to picket for politicians...

If we taught kids how to think for themselves, how to come to a conclusion by study, research, and proper documentation, we actually may have a better future because people today take things at face value... which is also a problem because media systems such as CNN, etc which used to be great forms of information, which allowed us to make our own minds up. Now they are spoon feeding specific filtered information to people so that the agencies are making the minds up for the people instead of trusting people to make up their own minds.

People today are willing to do it because the education system is also built that way now... so you tell me... how do you fix our political system? You start by fixing our educational system.

You spent three sections pointing out how our education system is dictated by whims of the political; that the tentacles (somewhere Eichenwald just got hard) of the political system are deep in the education system.

My point is to take that shit out of the education system (which needs to be done politically), then you can start doing all the reforms you want. I don't disagree with those.

Which is going to be easier to do? Overhaul the education system using the political machinery, as is? Or doing it after a dramatic change in who votes?

You need a canidate that would be willing to take on the challange, that's all. Right now it be easier if someone was just elected to do it, but in reality no one is going to take on said challange because, well it's political suicide to those who don't have the capital.

[Speaker to Animals]

That's pretty much what is happening, dude.

Then actually creating different classes of citizens by disenfranchising portions of them isn't likely to change much.

Yeah, it pretty much would.

[apeman]

That's pretty much what is happening, dude.

Then actually creating different classes of citizens by disenfranchising portions of them isn't likely to change much.

Do you have any reason to believe that universal vote is a good thing in a large country/empire?

Any reason?

Would any historical thinker even entertain the idea as wise?

[Speaker to Animals]

Anyone with a passing familiarity with the classical civilization should hold deep reservations regarding the idea of universal enfranchisement.

[apeman]

Anyone with a passing familiarity with the classical civilization should hold deep reservations regarding the idea of universal enfranchisement.

That's what surprises me here -- we are all here because of dan carlin, we all supposedly know some history and are familiar with history of political thought.

Here is the problem: it sounds and feels good to extend the vote to everyone, so we go with it, it is part of our indoctrination, our national myth.

But one reason our political discourse is so pitiful is because THAT IS WHERE THE SWING-ABLE VOTER IS.

If you want to lower the discourse and collective problem-solving ability to the lowest possible level, extend the vote to everyone.

[Fife]

All this hissing and pissing about the franchise is a show about nothing.

Whether Twain actually said it or not, it's striking me as more true every day: "If voting made a difference, they wouldn't let us do it."

[Speaker to Animals]

All this hissing and pissing about the franchise is a show about nothing.

Whether Twain actually said it or not, it's striking me as more true every day: "If voting made a difference, they wouldn't let us do it."

If voting didn't make a difference, Hillary would be tantrum-thrower-in-chief right now.

As it is, the stupid woman damned near crossed the finish line because of blacks voting for more gibs and liberal women voting for her because she has a vagina.

[Fife]

I'm ready for the difference.

Bring it on.

Gibs muh difference.

Vive la Différence!