Destroying History

[BjornP]

I just quoted the first source, Livy, on what the Bacchus cult was all about. Didn't bother reading another word salad from you. Others can believe your nonsense posturing or the Roman historian Livy. I care not which.

...and this is why people get to the point where they seriously argue for the destruction of statues because "they're racist". They don't understand that historical sources, figures and objects need to be evaluated in the context of their time and society, not in the context of contemporary society.

Reading a millenia old text means having to understand the context the text was written in, understanding that people two thousand years ago did not think like people do today. If you leave that out, you simply read the text as if you were reading a modern text and expecting a modern context.

[Speaker to Animals]

It's quite clear what Livy described. The degeneracy is very similar. You should read it someday.

[ssu]

What happened to innocent until proven guilty? James Fields hasn't even been tried yet. You poison the well of your own supposed ideology you uphold in the name of slandering people you disagree with. You're no better than the Nazis.

My ideology? Again creating your own bullshit narrative, nuke.

If some motherfucker drives into a crowd, then he drives into a crowd. I feel the same way of that Moroccan lunatic here that went on a stabbing rampage targetting women and people who tried to help the victims. Proven until guilty is for the justice systems motto to give people a fair trial, but what is self evident... is self evident. It would be ludicrous to assume something else, some repugnant whitewash that the guy was acting on self defence. What is clear is clear.

Or perhaps you are thinking about some conspiracy theory that James Fields Jr was innocent, that the driver was actually a black guy from the BLM or what? False flag my ass.

[katarn]

It's quite clear what Livy described. The degeneracy is very similar. You should read it someday.

Bjorn's licking you in this fight. He is advancing changes in argument (not backsteps though) to rebute your stubbornness, while you sit there and refuse to even read it. He seems to be right, and even if he isn't, he gets points for discussing and not sitting back in dismissal.

I always find that the moment you think you are totally incontrovertible is the moment to rethink your position and try to see another side.

[katarn]

IMO

Our recent spat of confederate memorial vandals are destroying history because they are picking and choosing what is offensive to write their own narrative about history, then telling me what that acceptable narrative shall be. They are showing complete intolerance to anyone elses views.

These folks pretend this is about slavery and racism. But it's not, I made the points I did in the OP to point this out. They will never go after FDR, Woodrow Wilson or Lincoln. The Confederacy was wrong, it's entire foundation was wrong, but when I see memorial to the confederacy or union of the era, I'm reminded that well over a Million people died to solve a problem that plagued our country since the founding.

Fact is, most of these Confederate Monuments were erected with the resurgence of racism in America that was backed up by Woodrow Wilson during his term in office. Bjorn made a thoughtful and lengthy post earlier. He has a statue near him of a person not to be idolized. But it's still there with Bjorn and generations of others getting the choice to determine for themselves how they feel about that person and their role in history.

This is a wave of intolerance, vandalism and frankly idiocy of masses.

Absolutely. One note is that they may go after Lincoln. At least a few have (someone even grafittied the Memorial), but it isn't mainstream.

[katarn]

[So peaceful protesters are to be blame for having some shithead ram his car into two parked cars and then into the crowd?

No, but the unpeaceful ANTIFA fucks deserve blame for ratcheting up tensions, and the fuck head who ran over that chick, well he's too blame for almost all of it. The media is just butthurt that Trump isn't singling out neo-nazi's as some dire problem that needs to be fixed ASAP, in the wake of this incident, all while neglecting to mention the violence perpetrated on the other side of the political spectrum. The only way to satisfy the media with his comments would have been to do so, but because he didn't they are crying "Racist! Racist! Racist!" from the rooftops.

The media is claiming Trump is dividing the nation with his comments, all while the media divides the nation with their comments about his comments, and then they act like he's the one who deserves the blame.

In almost all cases, you're totally right from where I sit. I thought what Trump said in the first Charlottesville speech was fine, however, his second did specifically call out each group in turn, and that would have been better than saying "many sides" I believe.

[katarn]

Well, pictures tell another story:



How hard is it to say that Nazis, the KKK, and Neo-Nazis are bad?

There bad, will you say the same thing about AntiFa, BLM, etc. ?

AntiFa maybe..... BLM pretty much the majority don't want violence but a changed in policing. Also, both groups are willing to accept others into their group- really don't see it with the Neo-Nazis.

It is almost always a minority in any group that are extreme or radical. Antifa seems to be pretty singular in aggression, but I can't really pass judgement on that without talking to more of them. BLM, sure it's a minority, so let's address that. Would you condemn the minority of BLM that aggressively uses violence and destruction in their pursuits?

What do you mean by 'accept others'?

[Speaker to Animals]

It's quite clear what Livy described. The degeneracy is very similar. You should read it someday.

Bjorn's licking you in this fight. He is advancing changes in argument (not backsteps though) to rebute your stubbornness, while you sit there and refuse to even read it. He seems to be right, and even if he isn't, he gets points for discussing and not sitting back in dismissal.

I always find that the moment you think you are totally incontrovertible is the moment to rethink your position and try to see another side.

Okay. Well, I don't even bother reading his wordwalls any longer anyway. If he has a point, he should put it into a succinct and less cunt-like post and maybe I will address it.

The point remains: Livy damned well described the closest analog to SJWs in the ancient world that you will find (Bacchus cults). It seems to me he is trying to backtrack and change what he initially tried to say (like a cunt, I might add) and weasel out of it, but whatevs.

[C-Mag]

War on Sweden: Sweden Erases Own History by Turning Viking Artifacts into Scrap

The struggle to erase Swedish history, break down Swedish culture and force the Swedes to assimilate into the multicultural phenomenon is going according to plan.

Following the revelations of one of its angry archaeologists, it emerges that the curators of Stockholms Länsmuseum have been ordering the systematic destruction of newly found artifacts from the Iron Age and the Viking period under the guise that it would be too burdensome to process.

Coins, arrow heads, ritual amulets, weapons, jewellery and weights that were kept in the past are now directly dumped into metal recycling bins upon discovery instead of being treasured and displayed.

http://investmentwatchblog.com/war-on-s ... nto-scrap/

[katarn]

War on Sweden: Sweden Erases Own History by Turning Viking Artifacts into Scrap

The struggle to erase Swedish history, break down Swedish culture and force the Swedes to assimilate into the multicultural phenomenon is going according to plan.

Following the revelations of one of its angry archaeologists, it emerges that the curators of Stockholms Länsmuseum have been ordering the systematic destruction of newly found artifacts from the Iron Age and the Viking period under the guise that it would be too burdensome to process.

Coins, arrow heads, ritual amulets, weapons, jewellery and weights that were kept in the past are now directly dumped into metal recycling bins upon discovery instead of being treasured and displayed.

http://investmentwatchblog.com/war-on-s ... nto-scrap/