Europe, the not boring thread

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Post by KerningChameleon » Sun Jul 02, 2017 9:46 am

TheReal_ND wrote:I thought DUP was pro immigration reform though. I literally never heard of them before last week.
From what I've read from posters far more savvy about British politics than me, the DUP are pretty comparable to US Republicans, especially socially (anti-abortion, anti-gay marriage, pro-Catholic religious rights, etc.). HOWEVER, the one thing they break with most right-wing groups is they favor soft as possible borders, more specifically with Ireland. This is due to the legacy of The Troubles and the cornerstone of the Good Friday Agreement, which mandated the NI and Irish border must be totally open, and any attempt to place restrictions on that open border is directly in violation of the Agreement, which the whole Peace In Our Era in NI is based upon. The Open Border is the reason why the economy in NI has been improving at all, and of course no one wants to risk The Troubles starting up again. Thus, they A) didn't want Brexit to begin with and B) since Brexit is happening, they demand as Soft a Brexit as possible to keep the Irish border open, since Ireland obviously is still part of the EU.

As you can imagine, this puts them directly opposed to the Tories, who until now have been campaigning on a Hard Brexit. But the Tories have been forced into a deal with the DUP, because literally every other party who could help give them a majority is even more opposed to them. This is why people are expecting another General Election within the year: the current Parliament makeup is clearly unstable and unsustainable for anyone who wants anything to get done, especially with the Brexit deadline looming in less than two years.
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Post by Montegriffo » Sun Jul 02, 2017 12:11 pm

TheReal_ND wrote:I thought DUP was pro immigration reform though. I literally never heard of them before last week.
DUP are the Unionist party formed by rev' Ian Paisley in 1971. Radical protestants who are anti-abortion anti-gay marriage and very pro British. They refused power sharing with the republicans (Irish Nationalists) until the Good Friday agreement in 2006. They are anti EU have links with the far right and some members have called for creationism to be taught in school.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_Unionist_Party
Also backers of the Orange order who march on 12 July every year to celebrate William of Orange's victory against the catholic James II at the battle of the Boyne in 1690.
Basically a bunch of shit stirring trouble makers who no self respecting PM should have anything to do with.
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Post by TheReal_ND » Sun Jul 02, 2017 12:13 pm

They do that in Texas. All it means is they add a sentence to the chapter on the theory of evolution "and some people believe God created man." Next chapter, whatever. It's not as big a deal as libtards make it out to be.

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Post by Montegriffo » Sun Jul 02, 2017 12:22 pm

TheReal_ND wrote:They do that in Texas. All it means is they add a sentence to the chapter on the theory of evolution "and some people believe God created man." Next chapter, whatever. It's not as big a deal as libtards make it out to be.
Spoken like a true Reichtard.
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Post by Montegriffo » Sun Jul 02, 2017 12:31 pm

KerningChameleon wrote:
TheReal_ND wrote:I thought DUP was pro immigration reform though. I literally never heard of them before last week.
From what I've read from posters far more savvy about British politics than me, the DUP are pretty comparable to US Republicans, especially socially (anti-abortion, anti-gay marriage, pro-Catholic religious rights, etc.). HOWEVER, the one thing they break with most right-wing groups is they favor soft as possible borders, more specifically with Ireland. This is due to the legacy of The Troubles and the cornerstone of the Good Friday Agreement, which mandated the NI and Irish border must be totally open, and any attempt to place restrictions on that open border is directly in violation of the Agreement, which the whole Peace In Our Era in NI is based upon. The Open Border is the reason why the economy in NI has been improving at all, and of course no one wants to risk The Troubles starting up again. Thus, they A) didn't want Brexit to begin with and B) since Brexit is happening, they demand as Soft a Brexit as possible to keep the Irish border open, since Ireland obviously is still part of the EU.

As you can imagine, this puts them directly opposed to the Tories, who until now have been campaigning on a Hard Brexit. But the Tories have been forced into a deal with the DUP, because literally every other party who could help give them a majority is even more opposed to them. This is why people are expecting another General Election within the year: the current Parliament makeup is clearly unstable and unsustainable for anyone who wants anything to get done, especially with the Brexit deadline looming in less than two years.
Not correct I'm afraid. The DUP are very pro-Brexit. They are more hard line than the Tories
although they do want a soft border with the Republic of Ireland. One minister called Sammy Wilson caused a controversy during a BBC program on the EU referendum by seeming to agree with an audience member who said that he wanted to "get the ethnics out" of Northern Ireland post-Brexit.
And very definately not pro Catholic.
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Post by TheReal_ND » Sun Jul 02, 2017 12:49 pm

Montegriffo wrote:
TheReal_ND wrote:They do that in Texas. All it means is they add a sentence to the chapter on the theory of evolution "and some people believe God created man." Next chapter, whatever. It's not as big a deal as libtards make it out to be.
Spoken like a true Reichtard.
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Fuck no. It's hot as balls. I'm bringing a tarp a salt water pole and I'm sleeping on the beach next time. Too broke atm to get any kit.

Edit: might just bring my sleeping sack down tonight but I've got to get the fuck out of the sun right now.

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Post by Montegriffo » Sun Jul 02, 2017 12:56 pm

No brown skinned beauty to take your mind off the heat last night then?
I'm disappointed in you Nuke.
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Post by TheReal_ND » Sun Jul 02, 2017 1:03 pm

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Post by Ex-California » Sun Jul 02, 2017 3:14 pm

TheReal_ND wrote:They do that in Texas. All it means is they add a sentence to the chapter on the theory of evolution "and some people believe God created man." Next chapter, whatever. It's not as big a deal as libtards make it out to be.
Is that all it is? I'm against the teaching of religious thought in science but if that's the only sentence I have no problem with that because that is just truth with no prostelgzing.
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Post by TheReal_ND » Sun Jul 02, 2017 3:51 pm

I mean that's all there was in my text book. I think they may have mentioned some people believe in intelligent design to be more accurate. There may have been another sentence describing what it was. It was literally at the end of a paragraph at the end of the chapter on Darwin and his theory of evolution.