Guess Just What Happen

[SilverEagle]

It doesn't. Just another tool to finish off what is left of our freedom. Land of the Free my ass!

To be fair, if it passes you'll technically be more free than before. Freedom to either knowingly sell your isp data, choose another isp that won't sell your data if you can/want to, or use a VPN. It isn't mandating that you sell your history. A lot of outrage will be misdirected at trump if he signs it as is looking likely. That rage should really be directed at the ISP's. It's not a violation as much as it is a removal of a statutory protection that people previously relied upon in making their contracts - those contracts will need to be looked at again.

Regardless, even from my libertarian biased perspective, it's pretty low on the list for repeal compared to say corporate tax.

Politically, he's making a huge mistake though. This won't be popular within his base. Spending huge ammounts of political capital on small things that will be spun/speculated very negatively.

Like many a libertarian idea, there's the fantasy and then there's the reality. Most Americans don't have choices for their ISP like you are suggesting, and if they do it's between the phone company and cable company. TOR or a VPN is simply not a solution and you can't expect people to cut themselves off from the internet, so the "if you don't like it, you shouldn't use the internet!" is really an asinine thing to suggest. Millions of people require the internet for work or school and they don't have a choice. And I should say, that people are already furious with their ISPs; their double, triple, and quadruple dipping is just infuriating people even more. The bottom line is that they're taking what isn't theirs. I was sold on a pipe to the internet, nobody asked me for my private data and they're selling it. There is nothing free about this. The shills man...

If your data is collected by your ISP, its going to get hacked. This is such a dumb, terrible idea.

Prove to me that this was a libertarian idea! Because it most certainly is not! Having your privacy up for sale is not the libertarian way!

[Speaker to Animals]

Except Rand Paul sponsored it and most of the libertarian members are defending it.. Aside from that..

[SilverEagle]

Except Rand Paul sponsored it and most of the libertarian members are defending it.. Aside from that..

Rand Paul is not a libertarian even though he says he is. He's 1/10th of a libertarian that his father Ron Paul is.

[TheOneX]

The ability to collect and sell the data of users to be libertarian, that ability would have to be included in the contract signed when purchasing internet access. Both parties would have to agree to it explicitly. It also would have to require that it is a free market where new companies are free to come into the market, and compete.

[Dand]

When did libertarians take control of the GOP? The fight over this FCC rule is a partisan R vs D issue.

[SilverEagle]

When did libertarians take control of the GOP? The fight over this FCC rule is a partisan R vs D issue.

Exactly, I would love to know when they took over the GOP. I must have missed it.

[SuburbanFarmer]

To be fair, if it passes you'll technically be more free than before. Freedom to either knowingly sell your isp data, choose another isp that won't sell your data if you can/want to, or use a VPN. It isn't mandating that you sell your history. A lot of outrage will be misdirected at trump if he signs it as is looking likely. That rage should really be directed at the ISP's. It's not a violation as much as it is a removal of a statutory protection that people previously relied upon in making their contracts - those contracts will need to be looked at again.

Regardless, even from my libertarian biased perspective, it's pretty low on the list for repeal compared to say corporate tax.

Politically, he's making a huge mistake though. This won't be popular within his base. Spending huge ammounts of political capital on small things that will be spun/speculated very negatively.

Like many a libertarian idea, there's the fantasy and then there's the reality. Most Americans don't have choices for their ISP like you are suggesting, and if they do it's between the phone company and cable company. TOR or a VPN is simply not a solution and you can't expect people to cut themselves off from the internet, so the "if you don't like it, you shouldn't use the internet!" is really an asinine thing to suggest. Millions of people require the internet for work or school and they don't have a choice. And I should say, that people are already furious with their ISPs; their double, triple, and quadruple dipping is just infuriating people even more. The bottom line is that they're taking what isn't theirs. I was sold on a pipe to the internet, nobody asked me for my private data and they're selling it. There is nothing free about this. The shills man...

If your data is collected by your ISP, its going to get hacked. This is such a dumb, terrible idea.

Prove to me that this was a libertarian idea! Because it most certainly is not! Having your privacy up for sale is not the libertarian way!

Dude. Corporations are people. They need to be free to collect your life and sell it. Libertarians, the new corporate shills I guess.

[doc_loliday]

Take it up with the libertarian I quoted. He called it a libertarian idea and said it would lead to more freedom. These ISPs need the freedom to sell your data, and you have the freedom to not use the internet. Taste the liberty.

[Martin Hash]

Libertarians constantly remind us why we're not Libertarians.

[BjornP]

These ISPs need the freedom to sell your data, and you have the freedom to not use the internet.