CS314 - Unhealthy Numbers

[Speaker to Animals]

Without drastic immigration reform, all this stuff will simply amount to middle class whites being forced to subsidize their demographic replacement and dispossession of their nation.

It's already like that in states like California, where whites labor under a burdensome state tax in order to fund many social programs offered to immigrants who should never be here in the first place.

I think you missed your calling as a militia leader.

Change the laws so that people can only immigrate here if they can sustain themselves here. If they need welfare and social services, them they should go back.

Give us your not-very-tired, keep your poor, and we might let them be free if we like them.

Bare minimum: an immigrant ought not come here as a net cost to the American people. Period. To argue against that is to take a very unpopular stance.

[SuburbanFarmer]

Without drastic immigration reform, all this stuff will simply amount to middle class whites being forced to subsidize their demographic replacement and dispossession of their nation.

It's already like that in states like California, where whites labor under a burdensome state tax in order to fund many social programs offered to immigrants who should never be here in the first place.

I think you missed your calling as a militia leader.

Change the laws so that people can only immigrate here if they can sustain themselves here. If they need welfare and social services, them they should go back.

Give us your not-very-tired, keep your poor, and we might let them be free if we like them.

..or to reject a cost-benefit analysis of our founding principles. But ya know... tomato tomato.

Bare minimum: an immigrant ought not come here as a net cost to the American people. Period. To argue against that is to take a very unpopular stance.

[Speaker to Animals]

Our founding principles do not include "Let in every non-European person who wants to come here and take over our nation." Nor does it include "even include immigrants who can't even take care of themselves and will cost us for the rest of their lives, and their children probably will not integrate and create little enclaves of violence and anti-American ideologies".

But aside from that.. lol

Your clown ideas are bankrupt.

[StCapps]

Change the laws so that people can only immigrate here if they can sustain themselves here. If they need welfare and social services, them they should go back.

Give us your not-very-tired, keep your poor, and we might let them be free if we like them.

A much better immigration policy than letting everyone in regardless of the strain it may put on society.
/shrugs

[SuburbanFarmer]

Don't follow him down the rabbit hole. We have immigration quotas, and strict vetting. The gaping hole in our policy is a lack of enforcement on overstayed visas.

We are not being "overrun", even if the entire population of Mexico walked to Texas. No amount of paranoia about invading horses is going to change that, but it may well lead to more unnecessary human suffering and bass-ackwards policy decisions.

[Speaker to Animals]

Strict vetting, y'all! AwesomeLlamaLakem!

[StCapps]

Don't follow him down the rabbit hole. We have immigration quotas, and strict vetting. The gaping hole in our policy is a lack of enforcement on overstayed visas.

We are not being "overrun", even if the entire population of Mexico walked to Texas. No amount of paranoia about invading horses is going to change that, but it may well lead to more unnecessary human suffering and bass-ackwards policy decisions.

My point was that basing your immigration policy on a feel good poem is stupid. More nuance is obviously required and bullshit mythology won't fly as a proper immigration policy. The problem with the US immigration system is not the lack of compassion on the parts of Americans to take in the wretched refuse of other nations teeming shores.

[SuburbanFarmer]

Don't follow him down the rabbit hole. We have immigration quotas, and strict vetting. The gaping hole in our policy is a lack of enforcement on overstayed visas.

We are not being "overrun", even if the entire population of Mexico walked to Texas. No amount of paranoia about invading horses is going to change that, but it may well lead to more unnecessary human suffering and bass-ackwards policy decisions.

My point was that basing your immigration policy on a feel good poem is stupid. More nuance is obviously required and bullshit mythology won't fly as a proper immigration policy. The problem with the US immigration system is not the lack of compassion on the parts of Americans to take in the wretched refuse of other nations teeming shores.

That feel good poem represents a key part of our national mythology, and the current wave of xenophobia is absolutely counter to that.

The actual policies are much different than StAs fever dreams, and have nothing to do with "unrestricted access" by anyone.

[StCapps]

That feel good poem represents a key part of our national mythology, and the current wave of xenophobia is absolutely counter to that.

I see no wave of xenophobia, I see a wave of SJW's crying xenophobia because other people have issues with illegal immigration and these SJWs want to shut down all conversation on the topic because they have no point and they think demonizing the opposition is enough to win the argument in their minds.

The poem doesn't prove your point at all, so stop using it as an excuse to justify seeing xenophobes under every rock. Not wanting to take in all of the world's poor huddled masses is not xenophobia, it's common sense. America has never had an immigration policy that supported bringing all of the world's poorest people to the shores of America, and the poem is not referring to some supposed "golden age of American immigration" where that was ever true. Yet that doesn't stop historically ignorant folks from acting as if that is some kind historical fact anyway because their context free interpretation of a well known poem somehow lead them to that conclusion. The Chinese Exclusion Act was passed one year before the poem was written ffs, history simply does not line up with mythology.

[Okeefenokee]

Every other country Dan mentioned.
(This is my summation of the podcast, not my opinion).
http://www.commonwealthfund.org/publica ... erspective
That's his source--straight out of K Street.
I wondered whether "health care" included cosmetic surgery, gender reassignment, drug and alcohol rehabilitation, acupuncture, psychological services, vitamins and band aids, but I could find nothing but "raw data," in the article.
It seems Dan didn't put much thought into this podcast.

Healthcare is not the end all be all of what a country is.

It's only the most important service, other than food production.

Not even close. People don't need healthcare the way this is framed. Old people need healthcare. People who live unhealthy lives need healthcare. The rest of us are fine and can go forty years without seeing a doctor no problem.