The Left Does not Reason

[apeman]

Soros funded group gave them $50K.

Soros literally wipes with 50K

[Xenophon]

Soros funded group gave them $50K.

Soros literally wipes with 50K

50k goes a long way when you only need transportation. They'll make their own signs and bludgeons.

[Speaker to Animals]

An undercover video produced by James O’Keeffe’s Project Veritas shows Hillary Clinton campaign operatives admitting to starting the violence that occurred back in March during a Trump rally in Chicago which lead to the event being completely shut down over security concerns.

Project Veritas was able to infiltrate the private political consulting company Democracy Partners and its contractor the Foval Group which have ties to the Democratic National Committee and the Hillary Clinton Campaign.

According to Foval Group founder Scott Foval, “The campaign (Hillary Clinton campaign) pays the DNC, DNC pays Democracy partners, Democracy Partners pays the Foval group, Foval Group goes and executes the shit on the ground.”

What Scott Foval means by “shit on the ground” is the agitation that starts disruptions and places bad press on whichever Trump or Pence event they decided to hit.

An operative by the name of Aaron Minter, who goes by the alias Aaron Black, told project Project Veritas that the disruption in Chicago during Trump’s rally in March was an operation of Democracy Partners.

“So the Chicago Protest when they shut all that, that was us. It was more him (Bob Creamer, founder of Democracy Partners) than me,” said Aaron Minter, “but none of this was suppose to come back to us, because we want it coming from people, we don’t want it to come from the party.”

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-10-1 ... mp-rallies



All of this organized political violence from the left is not spontaneous or indicative of "bad apples". This is organized and funded by the leadership of the party, and the people to whom the party serves (i.e. Soros).



And let's not forget that the leftist media has been fomenting violence for weeks now. We have seen the former VP candidate (Tim Cain) extolling supporters to "fight in the streets". We have seen former Obama admin officials calling for military coups. We have seen CNN making veiled calls for assassination attempts on Trump.

This shit is systematic on the left. This is not comparable in any way to lone gunman, and if you want to go the lone gunman route, I can just as easily match those guys up with the left's cop killers.

[DrYouth]

For the purposes of this thread...

Can we assume that most MHFers are not pro-Democrat... even if some may score left on the compass.

I'm curious about the big money that has been involved in organizing a bunch of these protests... the "women's march" for example. Where is this money coming from?

This is a good question.

Soros.

George Soros (/ˈsɔːroʊs/[5] or /ˈsɔːrɒs/; Hungarian: Soros György, pronounced [ˈʃoroʃ ˈɟørɟ]; born August 12, 1930) is a Hungarian-American[a] investor, business magnate,[8][9] and philanthropist. Soros is considered by some to be one of the most successful investors in the world.[10][11][12] As of February 2017, Soros has a net worth of $25.2 billion making him one of the 30 richest people in the world.[13]

Born in Budapest, he escaped Nazi Germany occupied Hungary and emigrated to England in 1947. He attended the London School of Economics graduating with bachelor's and eventually a master's in philosophy. His business career began with him taking various jobs at merchant banks before starting his first hedge fund, Double Eagle in 1969. Profits garnered from his first fund laid the seed money for him to start Soros Fund Management, his second hedge fund in 1970. Double Eagle was renamed the Quantum Fund, and was the principle firm Soros advised. At its founding, the Quantum Fund had $12 million in assets under management, and as of 2011, has $25 billion, the majority of his overall net worth.[14] He is known as "The Man Who Broke the Bank of England" because of his short sale of US$10 billion worth of Pound sterling, making him a profit of $1 billion during the 1992 Black Wednesday UK currency crisis.[15][16]

His early studies of philosophy lead him to develop and apply Karl Popper's Reflexivity to capital markets, which he claims renders him a clear picture of asset bubbles, fundamental/market value of securities, as well as value discrepancies used for shorting and swapping stocks.[17]

He is a well-known supporter of American progressive and American liberal political causes and dispenses his donations through his foundation, the Open Society Foundations.[18] Between 1979 and 2011 Soros donated more than $11 billion to various philanthropic causes.[19][20] He played a significant role in the peaceful transition from communism to capitalism in Eastern Europe in the late 1980s and early 1990s,[15] and provided one of Europe's largest higher education endowments to the Central European University in his hometown.[21]

Here's a hypothesis based on this paragraph.
Soros represents Ideological money...
The Democrats are pulling money out of a rich philanthropist and have convinced him they are working towards a better world and Trump is the enemy....
Basically a Nazi fighter who sees Nazi's on the homefront...

Or are there other more banal motives at play here?
Does he have investments that the Democrats are representing.

[JohnDonne]

It's an interesting strategy.

Can anyone name a cross-bearing, white hood wearing, black terrorizing leftist group? Name me an incident wear a left wing militant shot up a black church. Name me a leftist group that travels on motorcycles raping and beating people. Name me a leftist family that points their guns at federal agents.

It's okay, I'll wait.

John,

These examples are disingenuous, unfortunately.

Can anyone name a cross-bearing, white hood wearing, black terrorizing leftist group? How about ideology-bearing, mask-wearing, white terrorizing leftist group? (i.e. the rioting group at Berkeley that is the central example of this thread)

Name me an incident wear a left wing militant shot up a black church. Why would they? You're talking about a mentally unbalanced neo-Nazi kid who just got the death penalty for what he did.

Name me a leftist group that travels on motorcycles raping and beating people. Huh? Are you talking about the Hell's Angels or something? I didn't know they were political. Aren't they coke dealers?

Name me a leftist family that points their guns at federal agents. The Castro family.

Are you implying guilt by association? Most conservatives and/or Republicans do not identify themselves as being aligned with the KKK, or Dylan roof, or the Hell's Angels (fwiw, though, I do know several people who sympathize with the Bundys, but only one could really be called a conservative).For the most part, these groups are universally maligned.

Imagine for a moment if Trump supporters were doing what the Berkeley rioters are doing. There would be outrage and calls for Trump and other conservative leaders to "take responsibility" and do something. None of the leaders on the left, that I am aware of, are doing anything at all about this.

So, are they guilty by association?

Are you trying to tire me out by making me over-explain or do you truly not understand the examples I gave were designed to be disingenuous in mockery of the disingenuous call to give examples of right wing riots? Disingenuous because political violence (which is here being argued by my opposition as being the domain of the left) takes more forms than just riots, doubly disingenuous because the denunciation of the left as terrorists for the actions of a few rioters, which is admittedly wrong, amounts to guilt by association, the very thing which you decry here, but were notably absent when others implied the same thing about leftists.

[Xenophon]

It's an interesting strategy.

Can anyone name a cross-bearing, white hood wearing, black terrorizing leftist group? Name me an incident wear a left wing militant shot up a black church. Name me a leftist group that travels on motorcycles raping and beating people. Name me a leftist family that points their guns at federal agents.

It's okay, I'll wait.

John,

These examples are disingenuous, unfortunately.

Can anyone name a cross-bearing, white hood wearing, black terrorizing leftist group? How about ideology-bearing, mask-wearing, white terrorizing leftist group? (i.e. the rioting group at Berkeley that is the central example of this thread)

Name me an incident wear a left wing militant shot up a black church. Why would they? You're talking about a mentally unbalanced neo-Nazi kid who just got the death penalty for what he did.

Name me a leftist group that travels on motorcycles raping and beating people. Huh? Are you talking about the Hell's Angels or something? I didn't know they were political. Aren't they coke dealers?

Name me a leftist family that points their guns at federal agents. The Castro family.

Are you implying guilt by association? Most conservatives and/or Republicans do not identify themselves as being aligned with the KKK, or Dylan roof, or the Hell's Angels (fwiw, though, I do know several people who sympathize with the Bundys, but only one could really be called a conservative).For the most part, these groups are universally maligned.

Imagine for a moment if Trump supporters were doing what the Berkeley rioters are doing. There would be outrage and calls for Trump and other conservative leaders to "take responsibility" and do something. None of the leaders on the left, that I am aware of, are doing anything at all about this.

So, are they guilty by association?

Are you trying to tire me out by making me over-explain or do you truly not understand the examples I gave were designed to be disingenuous in mockery of the disingenuous call to give examples of right wing riots? Disingenuous because political violence (which is here being argued by my opposition as being the domain of the left) takes more forms than just riots, doubly disingenuous because the denunciation of the left as terrorists for the actions of a few rioters, which is admittedly wrong, amounts to guilt by association, the very thing which you decry here, but were notably absent when others implied the same thing about leftists.

Again, it's more than a "few" rioters.

[Mercury]

It's an interesting strategy.

Can anyone name a cross-bearing, white hood wearing, black terrorizing leftist group? Name me an incident wear a left wing militant shot up a black church. Name me a leftist group that travels on motorcycles raping and beating people. Name me a leftist family that points their guns at federal agents.

It's okay, I'll wait.

John,

These examples are disingenuous, unfortunately.

Can anyone name a cross-bearing, white hood wearing, black terrorizing leftist group? How about ideology-bearing, mask-wearing, white terrorizing leftist group? (i.e. the rioting group at Berkeley that is the central example of this thread)

Name me an incident wear a left wing militant shot up a black church. Why would they? You're talking about a mentally unbalanced neo-Nazi kid who just got the death penalty for what he did.

Name me a leftist group that travels on motorcycles raping and beating people. Huh? Are you talking about the Hell's Angels or something? I didn't know they were political. Aren't they coke dealers?

Name me a leftist family that points their guns at federal agents. The Castro family.

Are you implying guilt by association? Most conservatives and/or Republicans do not identify themselves as being aligned with the KKK, or Dylan roof, or the Hell's Angels (fwiw, though, I do know several people who sympathize with the Bundys, but only one could really be called a conservative).For the most part, these groups are universally maligned.

Imagine for a moment if Trump supporters were doing what the Berkeley rioters are doing. There would be outrage and calls for Trump and other conservative leaders to "take responsibility" and do something. None of the leaders on the left, that I am aware of, are doing anything at all about this.

So, are they guilty by association?

Are you trying to tire me out by making me over-explain or do you truly not understand the examples I gave were designed to be disingenuous in mockery of the disingenuous call to give examples of right wing riots? Disingenuous because political violence (which is here being argued by my opposition as being the domain of the left) takes more forms than just riots, doubly disingenuous because the denunciation of the left as terrorists for the actions of a few rioters, which is admittedly wrong, amounts to guilt by association, the very thing which you decry here, but were notably absent when others implied the same thing about leftists.

I'm sorry for ruining your childhood.

If you won't attempt to make a legit argument, then you're basically conceding that "The Left Does Not Reason", regardless of whether or not you are self-aware enough to notice it. Political violence does indeed take more forms than just riots, but you haven't provided examples of any that support your argument.

[C-Mag]

Here's a hypothesis based on this paragraph.
Soros represents Ideological money...
The Democrats are pulling money out of a rich philanthropist and have convinced him they are working towards a better world and Trump is the enemy....
Basically a Nazi fighter who sees Nazi's on the homefront...

Or are there other more banal motives at play here?
Does he have investments that the Democrats are representing.

I don't know what's in his mind right now.

I know Soros happily remembers being a Nazi Collaborator as the best days of his life and has never. He was an activate participant at the age of 14 stealing from other jews and aiding in the holocaust. Places like Media Matters, which I believe he funds have tried to whitewash this. I don't know that I can ever trust someone like that.
http://rense.com/general93/soros.htm

[JohnDonne]

The KKK formed as a reaction against progressive liberals kicking their ass and freeing their slaves. Are you actually confusing the terms Democrat and Republican with right and left? Look at the geography and you'll understand the cultural divides of right and left are largely region based, not party affiliation, and it's been this way since the Civil War. Southerners are Conservative leaning, Northerners are Liberal. That's why the KKK began in the South, that's why they identified themselves as conservatives, and that's why they are widely considered an extreme right-wing group in all their manifestations throughout history.

And Fife, don't be so easily fooled by this charlatan, he has outright said on this site that he's going be intellectually dishonest to make the left look bad. And look how well it's working.

Racism is not geographically based. Boston is and has been one of the most racist locations in the US. There is no question, the Democrats are the party of racism in the US. They have a nearly unbroken line of over 150 years of racism. From Tammany Hall to the Clintons.

Today the Democrats are generally considered synonymous with the Left in America. Philosophically this is wrong. The Left historically being used to denote someone being for change and egalitarianism. Conservatives for the status quo and the old definition doesn't make much sense today as it was based on a Monarchy. Both the Dems and the GOP have been for the Status Quo for decades. And that status quo is an ever increasing power of the Central Government.

When Lincoln and the GOP won the Whitehouse in 1860 the Democrats did not accept the election results and immediately went about preparing for Secession, which they had in place by February even before Lincoln was inaugurated. The KKK was the terrorist wing of the Democrat Party. In order of precedence the targets of the KKK were, 1. Republicans 2. Blacks 3. Catholics 4. Jews. The Democrats passed all the Jim Crow Laws, Poll Taxes, etc. The Dems fought Civil Rights from 1865 on, and only capitulated 100 years later. The Dems loved then and still love today Woodrow Wilson, who established Segregation as US Government Policy and set us back in race relations 50-75 years. And this is where the modern Left/Democrats/Progressives really show their true colors. Their love of folks like Woodrow Wilson. When BLM protesters got it right and went after Wilsons sainthood at Princeton, the University cut a deal with BLM to keep their Icon in place. The modern Liberals/Dems/Progressives show as little real concern for minorities today as they did at the turn of the century. The minority murder rate in Chicago is a prime example how power White leaders turn a blind eye to the plight of minorities they represent.

As to the prime question of this thread, The Left does not Reason, StA is correct. Call the modern Left what you like. Democrats/Liberals/Progressives, they are the same people. They are intolerant, self important and power hungry. When they lose power they become violent. The modern folks that call themselves AntiFa would very much be at home in the 1870s KKK.

Carlus, you're making a few errors. I said the cultural divides of right and left are geographically based, not racism.

Forget the terms Democrat and Republican as being continuous identities through history because they are not, and that's because the parties are subject to shifts in cultural identity depending on the regions they hold power in.

Notice how it was the Southerners who defended the standing social orders and hierarchies of the day in the 1850s. Notice how the Southerners today largely have the same conservative, reactionary political culture, which is applied to modern progressive ideas, even though, get this, they have a different political party affiliation than in the 1850s.

That is why it doesn't matter whether the Democrats or Republicans control the South, because the political culture of the South is conservative, reactionary, right wing, and has been that way since the Civil War, where the great American identities were tempered like steel through flames.

It's simply an ahistorical modern conservative fantasy to claim that the KKK was left wing in any of its manifestations. I understand the appeal to the imagination, being defeated ignobly by the North, and then having to bear the shame of responsibility for forming the first terrorist organization in American history, and the racism, it is only natural that conservatives would try to wash their hands of their history and blame progressives for it, through the simplistic fig leaf of the party affiliations.

[Speaker to Animals]

Who, instead of reasoning, decides to shut down the speech and arguments of people they don't agree with? That's the left.

Who paints everybody who opposes them as "nazis" and justifies physical violence against those people on the grounds that one should always attack nazis? That's the left.

Who celebrated the physical violence against conservatives in recent weeks? The left.

No, as a whole, the left does not reason. They have no argument in the wake of the intellectual collapse of marxism, only violence.