NHL 2017 -Official Discussion Thread

[StCapps]

You don't match up a defensemen you are sheltering against another teams best line, every series of the playoffs. If Laviolette was trying to shelter PK, he did a terrible job of it. You make a decent devil's advocate, I'm just not buying the bullshit you are doing a good job of pitching. You might be able to sell one of these Yank hockey fans reading this thread, but you can't sell me on a false version of reality.

[Smitty-48]

That's not how you shelter, it's like Babcock with Gardiner and Rielly, Gardiner gets the offensive zone starts, Reilly gets thrown to the wolves in the D zone, because Babcock is sheltering Gardiner and putting Mo under the gun. Ellis had the same ozs% as Subban, which means Subban was not carrying his weight, which means Lavie didn't actually see him as a better option in the D zone than Ellis, the best D zone option, according to Lavie's ozs%, was Eckholm, Subban was there, because Eckholm was needed to cover for him... a "Norris Trophy Winner"

[StCapps]

That's not how you shelter, it's like Babcock with Gardiner and Rielly, Gardiner gets the offensive zone starts, Reilly gets thrown to the wolves in the D zone, because Babcock is sheltering Gardiner and putting Mo under the gun. Ellis had the same ozs% as Subban, which means Subban was not carrying his weight, which means Lavie didn't actually see him as a better option in the D zone than Ellis, the best D zone option, according to Lavie's ozs%, was Eckholm, Subban was there, because Eckholm was needed to cover for him... a "Norris Trophy Winner"

They shelter the guy who they don't throw to the wolves, they threw Reilly to wolves because they weren't sheltering him, just they threw Subban to the wolves. The Leafs sheltered Gardiner by keeping him on offense and keeping him from the wolves and the Preds were keeping Josi and Ellis on offense, and keeping them from the wolves while saving them Eckholm and Subban for that task, newsflash.

[Smitty-48]

PK is basically an overpaid Jake Gardiner at this point, Gardiner has better stats than PK across the board, for half the price, more icetime by a huge margin too, regular season and playoffs, the only difference is, Lavie didn't shelter PK enough, if he had just capitulated and conceded that PK was just a overpaid Jake Gardiner at this point, then he would have sheltered him like Babs did Gardiner, with 55%-45% ozs/dzs, but they were paying him $9 million so it's hard to captulate in the face of that. What he could do about PK's disruptive attitude problems? Well, nothing really, the combination of all of the above, is why the Habs wanted rid of PK Gardiner in the first place, overpaid, undeperforming, bad attitude.

[StCapps]

Pk doesn't have a bad attitude, the Montreal Canadiens have a bad attitude towards talent, fans, coaches, managment, the entire culture is infested with this warped sense of reality. Bad attitude, fake news, a lame attempt to justify a terrible trade.

[Smitty-48]

PK is the worst, he's a clown, the players see him as a joke, they can't stand him, they couldn't stand him in Montreal, and they're learning in Flashville why Montreal was so eager to rid themselves of him, Lavie literally had to put a gag order on PK because the room was like "will somebody shut this clown up? OMFG, we traded the Big Nasty for this clown? Fuck."

You kow who really wanted rid of him in Montreal and wanted Big Nasty instead? PK's "buddy" Carey Price, that's who said "get him out of here".

The Habs had meetings with all the players, and they were like "yeah, PK, what can you do?" when they got to the Franchise, Price says "here's what you do; trade him before the NTC kicks in".

[StCapps]

Fake news, brought to you by a butthurt Montreal Canadiens media, management and fans who turn on talent almost as fast as Leaf fans, media and management used to before Shanahan showed up. Not buying it, they just don't like a black guy doing flashy stuff and having fun, rubs them the wrong way. When Brent Burns does it, it's all cool, no media flack, when PK does it, shitstorm. PK Subban is like Donald Trump to Canadiens media, managment and fans, witch hunt is obvious.

[Smitty-48]

Nobody likes a black guy doing flashy stuff when it hurts the team, this is why the Habs traded him, this is why Team Canada wouldn't take him, the NHL is a boys club, true enough, but the boy's club is just "yeah, PK is all about PK, don't want him on this team, he's room cancer", nobody has ever had a beef with Jarome Iginla doing flashy stuff, because black as Jarome may be, he's a leader, a mensch, and he doesn't do flashy stuff to the exclusion of everything and everybody else on the team.

[StCapps]

Nobody likes a black guy doing flashy stuff when it hurts the team, this is why the Habs traded him, this is why Team Canada wouldn't take him, the NHL is a boys club, true enough, but the boy's club is just "yeah, PK is all about PK, don't want him on this team, he's room cancer", nobody has ever had a beef with Jarome Iginla doing flashy stuff, because black as Jarome may be, he's a leader, a mensch, and he doesn't do flashy stuff to the exclusion of everything and everybody else on the team.

He helps the team far more often than he hurts them and by a notable margin. Montreal is just retarded, that's all. Babcock had tons of options on Team Canada whose defensive depth has never been greater. PK may not have the leadership skills of Iggy, but that's no reason to pretend he's some kind of locker room cancer in a lame attermpt to justify a terrible fucking trade, the Habs turned on PK because he couldn't carry them to a Cup, about as dumb as it gets.

[Smitty-48]

PK has all the skills, he just doesn't apply them, because unlike Iginla, PK is immature and insecure apparently, and when it is as pathological as PK is, it starts to wear on everybody in a tight knit unit like an NHL hockey team, which is why, for all his skills, PK ends up being PK Gardiner Subban the Clown, and at $9 million, you're just like "OMFG already with this guy, we gotta get rid of this cancer before the NTC kicks in, what? Weber is available? Done and Done, we'll just have to worry about the cap hit later, anything is better than PK at this point", it just tells you how desperate they were to surgically remove the PK cancer from the room.