THE ERA OF TRUMP

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Re: THE ERA OF TRUMP

Post by skankhunt42 » Tue Sep 19, 2017 4:45 pm

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Nukedog wrote:Not sure. I was listening to NPR this morning for a little bit though. Some sort of spokesperson for Trump was being interviewed about the upcoming UN speech. The interviewer was basically painting Trump as being bad at handling our allies and the spokesperson countered with the fact Trump has gotten them to increase NATO defense budgets and he's actually improving our relations with France under Macron. The interviewer was then like but but MUH TPP MUH NAFTA. I was like shouting at her those aren't alliances those are trade deals and then the spokesperson said as much finally. Fucking dumb.
Trumps UN speech was very refreshing. The first time in years that our POTUS stood before the world and stood up for the American people, American interests and the Constitution.
Hey folks, there is no peace treaty with North Korea, the war is well...on ice. You all know this... We also all know no one is going to shoot first, but the only talk rogue nations know is tough talk. What Trump said, he was right to say. The bottom line is this...

THE AMERICAN PEOPLE DON'T LIKE BEING UNCOMFORTABLE... BUT GUESS WHAT, WHAT MAKES THIS NATION GREAT IS BEING COMFORTABLE WHEN YOU'RE UNCOMFORTABLE.

We lost that somewhere along the line, good on Trump. I'm not a fan of his, but this speech, in a lot of ways, it needed to be said.
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Re: THE ERA OF TRUMP

Post by de officiis » Tue Sep 19, 2017 4:50 pm

skankhunt42 wrote:
C-Mag wrote:
Nukedog wrote:Not sure. I was listening to NPR this morning for a little bit though. Some sort of spokesperson for Trump was being interviewed about the upcoming UN speech. The interviewer was basically painting Trump as being bad at handling our allies and the spokesperson countered with the fact Trump has gotten them to increase NATO defense budgets and he's actually improving our relations with France under Macron. The interviewer was then like but but MUH TPP MUH NAFTA. I was like shouting at her those aren't alliances those are trade deals and then the spokesperson said as much finally. Fucking dumb.
Trumps UN speech was very refreshing. The first time in years that our POTUS stood before the world and stood up for the American people, American interests and the Constitution.
Hey folks, there is no peace treaty with North Korea, the war is well...on ice. You all know this... We also all know no one is going to shoot first, but the only talk rogue nations know is tough talk. What Trump said, he was right to say. The bottom line is this...

THE AMERICAN PEOPLE DON'T LIKE BEING UNCOMFORTABLE... BUT GUESS WHAT, WHAT MAKES THIS NATION GREAT IS BEING COMFORTABLE WHEN YOU'RE UNCOMFORTABLE.

We lost that somewhere along the line, good on Trump. I'm not a fan of his, but this speech, in a lot of ways, it needed to be said.
It's a great speech, as long as it's backed up by conduct. Put your finger to the wind and ask yourself how enthusiastic your neighbors, colleagues, friends and acquaintances are about ending the cease fire and going to the mat with North Korea. Sensing much bravado?
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Re: THE ERA OF TRUMP

Post by skankhunt42 » Tue Sep 19, 2017 4:52 pm

de officiis wrote:
skankhunt42 wrote:
C-Mag wrote:
Trumps UN speech was very refreshing. The first time in years that our POTUS stood before the world and stood up for the American people, American interests and the Constitution.
Hey folks, there is no peace treaty with North Korea, the war is well...on ice. You all know this... We also all know no one is going to shoot first, but the only talk rogue nations know is tough talk. What Trump said, he was right to say. The bottom line is this...

THE AMERICAN PEOPLE DON'T LIKE BEING UNCOMFORTABLE... BUT GUESS WHAT, WHAT MAKES THIS NATION GREAT IS BEING COMFORTABLE WHEN YOU'RE UNCOMFORTABLE.

We lost that somewhere along the line, good on Trump. I'm not a fan of his, but this speech, in a lot of ways, it needed to be said.
It's a great speech, as long as it's backed up by conduct. Put your finger to the wind and ask yourself how enthusiastic your neighbors, colleagues, friends and acquaintances are about ending the cease fire and going to the mat with North Korea. Sensing much bravado?
That's just it, there will be no war with North Korea because North Korea was put on blast that if you do detonate something, it's over for you. It's like MAD with the Soviets. It was our only play really internationally. Again, the reality of the situation makes people uncomfortable, but it fucking should. This is the adult table.
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Re: THE ERA OF TRUMP

Post by Penner » Tue Sep 19, 2017 5:42 pm

Hastur wrote:But, is Atheism a belief system?

:?:

Inquiring minds need to know.

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Man, that thread ballooned back in the day and never died until the DCF was shuttered.
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Re: THE ERA OF TRUMP

Post by ssu » Tue Sep 19, 2017 10:33 pm

Would be funny if Trump would give the same speech for his base at a rally. :D

The "What the hell..." faces would be fun to see. At least in part of the UN speech

Especially this part:
This institution was founded in the aftermath of two world wars, to help shape this better future. It was based on the vision that diverse nations could cooperate to protect their sovereignty, preserve their security, and promote their prosperity. It was in the same period exactly 70 years ago that the United States developed the Marshall Plan to help restore Europe. Those these beautiful pillars, they are pillars of peace, sovereignty, security, and prosperity. The Marshall Plan was built on the noble idea that the whole world is safer when nations are strong, independent, and free. As president, Truman said in his message to Congress at that time, our support of European recovery is in full accord with our support of the United Nations.

The success of the United Nations depends upon the independent strength of its members. To overcome the perils of the present, and to achieve the promise of the future, we must begin with the wisdom of the past. Our success depends on a coalition of strong and independent nations that embrace their sovereignty, to promote security, prosperity, and peace, for themselves and for the world. We do not expect diverse countries to share the same cultures, traditions, or even systems of government, but we do expect all nations to uphold these two core sovereign duties, to respect the interests of their own people and the rights of every other sovereign nation.

This is the beautiful vision of this institution, and this is the foundation for cooperation and success. Strong sovereign nations let diverse countries with different values, different cultures, and different dreams not just coexist, but work side by side on the basis of mutual respect. Strong sovereign nations let their people take ownership of the future and control their own destiny. And strong sovereign nations allow individuals to flourish in the fullness of the life intended by God. In America, we do not seek to impose our way of life on anyone, but rather to let it shine as an example for everyone to watch.
Pretty Wilsonian. But indeed, this part is good:
From the Soviet Union to Cuba to Venezuela, wherever true socialism or communism has been adopted, it has delivered anguish and devastation and failure. Those who preach the tenets of these discredited ideologies only contribute to the continued suffering of the people who live under these cruel systems. America stands with every person living under a brutal regime. Our respect for sovereignty is also a call for action. All people deserve a government that cares for their safety, their interests, and their well-being, including their prosperity. In America, we seek stronger ties of business and trade with all nations of goodwill, but this trade must be fair and it must be reciprocal.
And this part is what his base wants to hear:
For too long the American people were told that mammoth, multinational trade deals, unaccountable international tribunals, and powerful global bureaucracies were the best way to promote their success. But as those promises flowed, millions of jobs vanished and thousands of factories disappeared. Others gamed the system and broke the rules, and our great middle class, once the bedrock of American prosperity, was forgotten and left behind, but they are forgotten no more and they will never be forgotten again.

While America will pursue cooperation and commerce with other nations, we are renewing our commitment to the first duty of every government, the duty of our citizens. This bond is the source of America's strength and that of every responsible nation represented here today. If this organization is to have any hope of successfully confronting the challenges before us, it will depend, as President Truman said some 70 years ago, on the independent strength of its members

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Re: THE ERA OF TRUMP

Post by ssu » Wed Sep 20, 2017 12:29 am

Of course, the above was "Teleprompter-Trump", a speech written by someone else.

Then the things that really matter for Trump:

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Re: THE ERA OF TRUMP

Post by Ex-California » Wed Sep 20, 2017 3:49 am

ssu wrote:Would be funny if Trump would give the same speech for his base at a rally. :D

The "What the hell..." faces would be fun to see. At least in part of the UN speech

Especially this part:
This institution was founded in the aftermath of two world wars, to help shape this better future. It was based on the vision that diverse nations could cooperate to protect their sovereignty, preserve their security, and promote their prosperity. It was in the same period exactly 70 years ago that the United States developed the Marshall Plan to help restore Europe. Those these beautiful pillars, they are pillars of peace, sovereignty, security, and prosperity. The Marshall Plan was built on the noble idea that the whole world is safer when nations are strong, independent, and free. As president, Truman said in his message to Congress at that time, our support of European recovery is in full accord with our support of the United Nations.

The success of the United Nations depends upon the independent strength of its members. To overcome the perils of the present, and to achieve the promise of the future, we must begin with the wisdom of the past. Our success depends on a coalition of strong and independent nations that embrace their sovereignty, to promote security, prosperity, and peace, for themselves and for the world. We do not expect diverse countries to share the same cultures, traditions, or even systems of government, but we do expect all nations to uphold these two core sovereign duties, to respect the interests of their own people and the rights of every other sovereign nation.

This is the beautiful vision of this institution, and this is the foundation for cooperation and success. Strong sovereign nations let diverse countries with different values, different cultures, and different dreams not just coexist, but work side by side on the basis of mutual respect. Strong sovereign nations let their people take ownership of the future and control their own destiny. And strong sovereign nations allow individuals to flourish in the fullness of the life intended by God. In America, we do not seek to impose our way of life on anyone, but rather to let it shine as an example for everyone to watch.
Pretty Wilsonian. But indeed, this part is good:
From the Soviet Union to Cuba to Venezuela, wherever true socialism or communism has been adopted, it has delivered anguish and devastation and failure. Those who preach the tenets of these discredited ideologies only contribute to the continued suffering of the people who live under these cruel systems. America stands with every person living under a brutal regime. Our respect for sovereignty is also a call for action. All people deserve a government that cares for their safety, their interests, and their well-being, including their prosperity. In America, we seek stronger ties of business and trade with all nations of goodwill, but this trade must be fair and it must be reciprocal.
And this part is what his base wants to hear:
For too long the American people were told that mammoth, multinational trade deals, unaccountable international tribunals, and powerful global bureaucracies were the best way to promote their success. But as those promises flowed, millions of jobs vanished and thousands of factories disappeared. Others gamed the system and broke the rules, and our great middle class, once the bedrock of American prosperity, was forgotten and left behind, but they are forgotten no more and they will never be forgotten again.

While America will pursue cooperation and commerce with other nations, we are renewing our commitment to the first duty of every government, the duty of our citizens. This bond is the source of America's strength and that of every responsible nation represented here today. If this organization is to have any hope of successfully confronting the challenges before us, it will depend, as President Truman said some 70 years ago, on the independent strength of its members
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Re: THE ERA OF TRUMP

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HAHAHAH AMERICA IS BACK BABY

BUILD A WALL

BOMB THEM ALL

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Post by The Conservative » Wed Sep 20, 2017 6:37 am

Nukedog wrote:Image

HAHAHAH AMERICA IS BACK BABY

BUILD A WALL

BOMB THEM ALL
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Re: THE ERA OF TRUMP

Post by C-Mag » Wed Sep 20, 2017 10:25 am

ssu wrote:Would be funny if Trump would give the same speech for his base at a rally. :D

The "What the hell..." faces would be fun to see. At least in part of the UN speech
There was a little in there for everyone. Which kind of makes it a great speech, some mass appeal. If you lean toward Wilsonian Progressivism you heard some stuff you support. If you hate commies, you heard that. If you wanted to hear about independent nations looking out for their best interest, you heard that.

So the listener kind of gets to pick and choose how they want to take it and what to focus on. I wouldn't worry about Trumps base, it's not really going anywhere. There are some boundaries to that; Amnesty and a Wall are the 2 primary. Another unprovoked war would be in there too.
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