Game of Thrones - mostly

[DrYouth]

Picking nits...

Epic show.

And getting solid results.

[StCapps]

Picking nits...

Epic show.

And getting solid results.

Like I say, it's still pretty good, but it's a very overrated show, one of the three most overrated shows currently on the air. Still the best non-scifi Fantasy TV Show I've ever seen by a long shot, but it's nowhere near as good as the Emmy's think it is, that I can tell you.

Hope they stick the landing, but I have my doubts. Fingers crossed.

[brewster]

Hope they stick the landing, but I have my doubts.

You and everybody else. Good series endings are hard in general, but IMO it's the hardest thing to do in SF or fantasy. I knew Russian Doll wouldn't be able to do it, and it didn't. You just have to enjoy the journey if you can. Sometimes I can't, I bailed from Lost about halfway through the run.

[StCapps]

Hope they stick the landing, but I have my doubts.

You and everybody else. Good series endings are hard in general, but IMO it's the hardest thing to do in SF or fantasy. I knew Russian Doll wouldn't be able to do it, and it didn't. You just have to enjoy the journey if you can. Sometimes I can't, I bailed from Lost about halfway through the run.

Good series ending are hard indeed, but in SF or fantasy, it's even harder. Just ask BSG.

LOST fucked the ending up, tried to solve too many of the mysteries and in an unsatisfactory manner, and the show dropped in quality as a result.

The difference in quality between a show like LOST and Game of Thrones isn't all that much, I'd put them in same tier, quality wise. BSG in the same tier with them as well.

[TheReal_ND]

They are both gimmicks to keep people watching. At least GoT was based on a novel for the first few seasons but after that it was basically a question of how long they could keep a paying gig. I'm far more cynical of Lost. I suspect it was a half hairbrained, half ingenuous plot to draw people in by keeping them in the dark. No actual plot ever existed until they had to end it.

[StCapps]

They are both gimmicks to keep people watching. At least GoT was based on a novel for the first few seasons but after that it was basically a question of how long they could keep a paying gig. I'm far more cynical of Lost. I suspect it was a half hairbrained, half ingenuous plot to draw people in by keeping them in the dark. No actual plot ever existed until they had to end it.

The fact that it was on Network TV held it back as well, had to include too much filler because ABC needed to fill airtime. Lindelof corrected the mistakes he made in LOST in The Leftovers anyway, there was a show that knew when and how to go out, without solving mysteries that didn't need to be solved. Talk about nailing the landing, The Leftovers last season was fucking amazing, that's how you do it right there.

[GloryofGreece]

The best part was Dorne and the Sandviper and her Daughters. Good character development AND some of the few characters that were actually written true to the books. Really captivating how they told a tale of a mother who would do anything to avenge her daughters and how Jaime and Bronn had to rescue family as well. Great tv!

Haha. If you had to punish someone by keeping their eyelids upon and they were on speed.but taped to a chair what would be the best torture tv to force feed them and keep them up all night and day to? What would really suck to you ?

I hope they wrap up Westeros stuff in the first episode, and spent the remainder of the final season in Essos.

[brewster]

The fact that it was on Network TV held it back as well

Yes, networks want 23 shows, not 8-13, and once they invest in making a show a hit they wan to milk it till no one wants to watch it anymore, they couldn't give a shit about neat endings. When ending time comes they've moved on already.

I'm far more cynical of Lost. I suspect it was a half hairbrained, half ingenuous plot to draw people in by keeping them in the dark. No actual plot ever existed until they had to end it.

I'm with you. I didn't think it was all that well done, certainly not the worldbuilding that went on in BSG or GoT. I feel sorry sometimes for these guys, it must suck to have a tiger by the tail like that. Did anyone watch Penny Dreadful? Great acting and production, some individually great episodes and threads, but they couldn't pull it all together. Gotta love possessed Eva Greene squirming naked tied to a bed.

I just rewatched both seasons of Dirk Gently, with the family this time. It was kinda good it got cancelled. A tiny bit was explained and hinted at, but there were so many loose ends and characters in different plot trajectories, it just leaves it to your imagination where it could go from there.

[StCapps]

The fact that it was on Network TV held it back as well

Yes, networks want 23 shows, not 8-13, and once they invest in making a show a hit they wan to milk it till no one wants to watch it anymore, they couldn't give a shit about neat endings. When ending time comes they've moved on already.

In fact, was just saying the same thing in Favorite TV characters thread, well put.

[clubgop]

Way too much interest in world building and not enough interest in character development, that's GoT's problem. Game of Thrones can't seem to find the proper balance between the two with any consistency, due to the world building bias of Benioff and Weiss.

Arya's time in Bravos was character development.

Yeah, but it was also an excuse to show more of Bravos and Essos on the TV, equal parts character development and worldbuilding failure on the Arya tip. Taking detours to uninteresting places so that a character can be saved for the endgame, are both world building and character development failures, and the show does this way too much to stall until the ending.

Bravos is the central bank and were the faceless men live, it was a great place to go. Game of thrones is about the world as much as it is about the characters. The opening theme is an unfolding map, it is literally a world building right in front of our eyes the world is a character in of itself maybe even the main character.