MOAB Dropped in Afghanistan

[C-Mag]

'Moderate' paramilitary groups. That always cracks me up.

Yeah.

So, I'm kind of proud of Trump for chewin on the brass and rejecting same ole, same ole.

Personally, I think Trump should lay out it to the American Public in a series of Town Hall events from NY to VMI, to Topeka, to Berkeley, why ? Because the cost of war has been born by the American people in blood and loot and winning will cost much, much more. Maybe require a draft.

I would tell folks at the Town Hall events, we need 750,000 Boots on the Ground, we need to expect 15% casualties or 100,000 dead and wounded, we will need to spend a Trillion Dollars, but ............. we will take at least half of Afghanistans material wealth when it's over.

The American people also need to realize that to win, we will have to destroy all will of the enemy to fight, destroy any sympathy for the enemy, millions of local people will die. Cities, towns and historical landmarks will be destroy. We have no Geneva convention agreements with these people, they respect no laws of fair warfare, and will get none in return. We will warn EVERY neighboring nation and person who is sympathetic to our enemy that we will not allow them to simply slip across a border and come back to fight another day. We will hold summary executions of bomb makers, we will use every tool available to us to destroy the enemy as quickly as possible.

Because that is what it will take to win. So, American people you decide if it is worth it.

[SuburbanFarmer]

'Moderate' paramilitary groups. That always cracks me up.

Yeah.

So, I'm kind of proud of Trump for chewin on the brass and rejecting same ole, same ole.

Personally, I think Trump should lay out it to the American Public in a series of Town Hall events from NY to VMI, to Topeka, to Berkeley, why ? Because the cost of war has been born by the American people in blood and loot and winning will cost much, much more. Maybe require a draft.

I would tell folks at the Town Hall events, we need 750,000 Boots on the Ground, we need to expect 15% casualties or 100,000 dead and wounded, we will need to spend a Trillion Dollars, but ............. we will take at least half of Afghanistans material wealth when it's over.

The American people also need to realize that to win, we will have to destroy all will of the enemy to fight, destroy any sympathy for the enemy, millions of local people will die. Cities, towns and historical landmarks will be destroy. We have no Geneva convention agreements with these people, they respect no laws of fair warfare, and will get none in return. We will warn EVERY neighboring nation and person who is sympathetic to our enemy that we will not allow them to simply slip across a border and come back to fight another day. We will hold summary executions of bomb makers, we will use every tool available to us to destroy the enemy as quickly as possible.

Because that is what it will take to win. So, American people you decide if it is worth it.

It was never worth it in the first place, and wouldn't be worth it if we seized it completely.

How about we just drop Dubya off in the desert, with his brush-clearing tools, and laugh as we fly the troops out.

[C-Mag]

It was never worth it in the first place, and wouldn't be worth it if we seized it completely.

How about we just drop Dubya off in the desert, with his brush-clearing tools, and laugh as we fly the troops out.

I don't blame W completely, 9-11 was a shock the nation hadn't seen in 60 years. If W get's real blame for Afghanistan it's for not gong whole hog and getting distracted in Iraq.

BHO deserves just as much blame, maybe more. He had a clean slate, he could have learned from the mistakes of W, but he didn't, he doubled down. He didn't commit to either winning or getting out of Afghanistan, he got us into Libya and Syria. He's an idiot. W can at least claim there were some unknowns.

[SuburbanFarmer]

It was never worth it in the first place, and wouldn't be worth it if we seized it completely.

How about we just drop Dubya off in the desert, with his brush-clearing tools, and laugh as we fly the troops out.

I don't blame W completely, 9-11 was a shock the nation hadn't seen in 60 years. If W get's real blame for Afghanistan it's for not gong whole hog and getting distracted in Iraq.

BHO deserves just as much blame, maybe more. He had a clean slate, he could have learned from the mistakes of W, but he didn't, he doubled down. He didn't commit to either winning or getting out of Afghanistan, he got us into Libya and Syria. He's an idiot. W can at least claim there were some unknowns.

Anybody can say "there were unknowns". He had 7 years to know some shit and stop it.

Agree that Obama should have ended it too, but Libya and Syria are nothing approaching the scale of Afghanistan or Iraq. Those are just IC games.

[C-Mag]

It was never worth it in the first place, and wouldn't be worth it if we seized it completely.

How about we just drop Dubya off in the desert, with his brush-clearing tools, and laugh as we fly the troops out.

I don't blame W completely, 9-11 was a shock the nation hadn't seen in 60 years. If W get's real blame for Afghanistan it's for not gong whole hog and getting distracted in Iraq.

BHO deserves just as much blame, maybe more. He had a clean slate, he could have learned from the mistakes of W, but he didn't, he doubled down. He didn't commit to either winning or getting out of Afghanistan, he got us into Libya and Syria. He's an idiot. W can at least claim there were some unknowns.

Anybody can say "there were unknowns". He had 7 years to know some shit and stop it.

Agree that Obama should have ended it too, but Libya and Syria are nothing approaching the scale of Afghanistan or Iraq. Those are just IC games.

re-Hashing it won't get us anywhere. We need to decide to fully commit or leave.

[Hwen Hoshino]

It was never worth it in the first place, and wouldn't be worth it if we seized it completely.

How about we just drop Dubya off in the desert, with his brush-clearing tools, and laugh as we fly the troops out.

I don't blame W completely, 9-11 was a shock the nation hadn't seen in 60 years. If W get's real blame for Afghanistan it's for not gong whole hog and getting distracted in Iraq.

BHO deserves just as much blame, maybe more. He had a clean slate, he could have learned from the mistakes of W, but he didn't, he doubled down. He didn't commit to either winning or getting out of Afghanistan, he got us into Libya and Syria. He's an idiot. W can at least claim there were some unknowns.

Presidents and congress are not supposed to be shocked. They are supposed to look at reality and history. the whole idea that there is a post 911 world is bogus. the world was the same, some European airlines bought a ton of US aircraft, there was a tragedy. Dumb wars were started that were planned anyways, but 911 did not change the world.

[Ph64]

'Moderate' paramilitary groups. That always cracks me up.

Yeah.

So, I'm kind of proud of Trump for chewin on the brass and rejecting same ole, same ole.

Personally, I think Trump should lay out it to the American Public in a series of Town Hall events from NY to VMI, to Topeka, to Berkeley, why ? Because the cost of war has been born by the American people in blood and loot and winning will cost much, much more. Maybe require a draft.

I would tell folks at the Town Hall events, we need 750,000 Boots on the Ground, we need to expect 15% casualties or 100,000 dead and wounded, we will need to spend a Trillion Dollars, but ............. we will take at least half of Afghanistans material wealth when it's over.

The American people also need to realize that to win, we will have to destroy all will of the enemy to fight, destroy any sympathy for the enemy, millions of local people will die. Cities, towns and historical landmarks will be destroy. We have no Geneva convention agreements with these people, they respect no laws of fair warfare, and will get none in return. We will warn EVERY neighboring nation and person who is sympathetic to our enemy that we will not allow them to simply slip across a border and come back to fight another day. We will hold summary executions of bomb makers, we will use every tool available to us to destroy the enemy as quickly as possible.

Because that is what it will take to win. So, American people you decide if it is worth it.

You seem to mistakenly think the purpose of being there is to "win". We've never been there to win, we are there to keep the MIC contractor companies funded, to keep the US "economy" rolling in MIC dollars (on the backs of the US citizens). Once you "win" you stop needing to fund the military as much, and unless you keep the territory as a "colony" you might be setting them up as an economic competitor (Germany/Japan post WWII style).

[ssu]

The underlying problem is that the US focuses on just this idiotic idea that the US has to be in Afghanistan, because otherwise it will become a terrorist haven.

That's it.

No political objectives on how to stop an insurgency.

Nothing about the internal problems of Afghanistan (starting from things like the Durand-line), nothing about the objectives on what neighbouring countries have for Afghanistan (and thought of what would they do), nothing about the interests of the Afghans, basically. The crazy line of occupation of a country, because one financier of a successfull terrorist strike was living there. People perhaps don't understand how idiotic it is.

Hence there's absolutely no chance of their being a victory against the Taleban, no chance of an "Pashtun awakening" that would change the tables as it did in Iraq, before Obama ruined then the possibility of modest victory By withdrawal and letting the Iraqi Prime Minister turned dictator to ruin everything that the US armed forces had worked.

If Trump would want to hear somebody else than his generals, maybe he should visit Afghanistan and ask the soldier there. That at least would show that Afghanistan is of some interest to him.

[Hwen Hoshino]

'Moderate' paramilitary groups. That always cracks me up.

Yeah.

So, I'm kind of proud of Trump for chewin on the brass and rejecting same ole, same ole.

Personally, I think Trump should lay out it to the American Public in a series of Town Hall events from NY to VMI, to Topeka, to Berkeley, why ? Because the cost of war has been born by the American people in blood and loot and winning will cost much, much more. Maybe require a draft.

I would tell folks at the Town Hall events, we need 750,000 Boots on the Ground, we need to expect 15% casualties or 100,000 dead and wounded, we will need to spend a Trillion Dollars, but ............. we will take at least half of Afghanistans material wealth when it's over.

The American people also need to realize that to win, we will have to destroy all will of the enemy to fight, destroy any sympathy for the enemy, millions of local people will die. Cities, towns and historical landmarks will be destroy. We have no Geneva convention agreements with these people, they respect no laws of fair warfare, and will get none in return. We will warn EVERY neighboring nation and person who is sympathetic to our enemy that we will not allow them to simply slip across a border and come back to fight another day. We will hold summary executions of bomb makers, we will use every tool available to us to destroy the enemy as quickly as possible.

Because that is what it will take to win. So, American people you decide if it is worth it.

You seem to mistakenly think the purpose of being there is to "win". We've never been there to win, we are there to keep the MIC contractor companies funded, to keep the US "economy" rolling in MIC dollars (on the backs of the US citizens). Once you "win" you stop needing to fund the military as much, and unless you keep the territory as a "colony" you might be setting them up as an economic competitor (Germany/Japan post WWII style).

There could not be more than that? Destabilizing other countries so they stay poor? Containing the influence of other powers?

[ssu]

The American people also need to realize that to win, we will have to destroy all will of the enemy to fight, destroy any sympathy for the enemy, millions of local people will die. Cities, towns and historical landmarks will be destroy. We have no Geneva convention agreements with these people, they respect no laws of fair warfare, and will get none in return. We will warn EVERY neighboring nation and person who is sympathetic to our enemy that we will not allow them to simply slip across a border and come back to fight another day. We will hold summary executions of bomb makers, we will use every tool available to us to destroy the enemy as quickly as possible.

Because that is what it will take to win. So, American people you decide if it is worth it.

Ah, The Russian doctrine for winning in Afghanistan!

Put into a short paragraph.

Well, C-Mag, been there done that.