Free College in San Francisco

[Hanarchy Montanarchy]

That would called a scholarship.

... which someone like Erik Satie would be unlikely to receive. He still benefited from his time at the Paris Conservatory, and thus we all benefit from France subsidizing the school, even for a pupil that was thought to be lazy and untalented by his instructors.

So the rule is if the individual benefits then we all benefit, therefore we all should pay for it.

Got it.

I benefited from watching the Planet Earth series on Netflix. The world will now benefit from my new knowledge. I want you to subsidize by Netflix subscription.

Better yet. Some guy gained valuable experience from a prostitute. Now you go pay for it.

No rule.

But, like Fife enjoys reminding us, you get more of what you subsidize.

[apeman]

I should sit down and calculate how much more these access codes have cost me over the last few years. You're right, every aspect of college is going up without justification.

I would be curious what the $ value is ^

[MilSpecs]

I should sit down and calculate how much more these access codes have cost me over the last few years. You're right, every aspect of college is going up without justification.

I would be curious what the $ value is ^

We bought books about a month ago and one was a math text that required an access code. I believe it was around $150, new so we could get the access code. Used without the access code was around $40, so it was a significant difference. We usually rent used through chegg and find that the cheapest way to get books.

[Okeefenokee]

I've done some chegg rentals, but amazon prime is cheaper most of the time, and with free shipping.

[MilSpecs]

I've done some chegg rentals, but amazon prime is cheaper most of the time, and with free shipping.

Thanks, I'll check the prices next semester.

[Okeefenokee]

I've done some chegg rentals, but amazon prime is cheaper most of the time, and with free shipping.

Thanks, I'll check the prices next semester.

I did just get the chegg study thing, though. That shit's great. Costs 15 bucks a month, but it is a great study supplement.

[jbird4049]

That's on the way out. Not any time soon, but the trend seems to be more used and rentals, and the exact edition isn't always that important. Plus, we all just pass around the pdf versions for free anyway.

The way the publishers are making up for that loss is by getting teachers to use online homework programs that the students have to pay for. First time I got a teacher who did online homework, I went to the head of the math department and told her I already owned the textbook, and I wasn't paying money to do homework. She reached on the shelf behind her, and handed me an access code. They must get interns or coding students to make those things, because they fucking suck.

The mandatory access codes started popping up in earnest the last two years. We rent used and it's impossible to get used with the access code.

That's the point I just made. It's an end route against the end route. I buy my essential texts used. Pre-cal, cal, physics, chemistry, statics, electromechanical, etc. I'm one of the few, if not the only one who actually buys them. Everyone else just trades the pdfs. I even had a cal teacher who gave us a link to the pdf of our calculus text. I bought it anyway, but shared the link on the old DCF. Both in pre-cal and physics, I had to get the online homework access code. I tutor math and science, and daily deal with the shit online homework applications other students have to deal with.

These programs are garbage. They are absolute shit. They are thrown together so shittily that it leaves no doubt that the only reason they exist at all is to raise revenue. It took me two minutes to recognize what I was seeing. Textbook publishers are losing revenue because schools aren't playing ball with textbooks anymore, so they are marketing to teachers programs that make their jobs easier by putting together code that spares them from grading homework. The half cocked web apps that they push out are fucking garbage.

1/2 is the same as .5, but these shitty programs don't know that, so students using these apps get their grades docked because the garbage ass interns who put these apps together don't account for it.

Fuck Pearson.

Preach it brother. Pearson is evil.

I'm trying to get through algebra, and I'm supposed to get the exact textbook edition. Same subject. Same class. Same writer. Algebra hasn't changed in the last century. So why the Hell do I need to get the exact edition (Out of 12?) and an access code. For a funky program that gives me a headache.

Most college grads have to fumble through algebra to get any kind of degree. So textbook publishers must be making a lot of money.

People complain about who is going to pay for college education but don't look at where the money is going. Almost any college degree requires algebra or something like it. Companies like Pearson are just parasites.

[apeman]

so we all agree these university costs are out of control and ridiculous -- from textbooks to facilities.

Ever notice the media doesn't make a big deal of it? Yes, it appears in a passing about 2/3 of the way down an unexceptionally boring article, but this message is never emphasized and never learned.

Academia + Journalists = somehow, someway on the same page, rarely butting heads, ever, when they clearly should be.

[Fife]

People complain about who is going to pay for college education but don't look at where the money is going.

[Okeefenokee]

The mandatory access codes started popping up in earnest the last two years. We rent used and it's impossible to get used with the access code.

That's the point I just made. It's an end route against the end route. I buy my essential texts used. Pre-cal, cal, physics, chemistry, statics, electromechanical, etc. I'm one of the few, if not the only one who actually buys them. Everyone else just trades the pdfs. I even had a cal teacher who gave us a link to the pdf of our calculus text. I bought it anyway, but shared the link on the old DCF. Both in pre-cal and physics, I had to get the online homework access code. I tutor math and science, and daily deal with the shit online homework applications other students have to deal with.

These programs are garbage. They are absolute shit. They are thrown together so shittily that it leaves no doubt that the only reason they exist at all is to raise revenue. It took me two minutes to recognize what I was seeing. Textbook publishers are losing revenue because schools aren't playing ball with textbooks anymore, so they are marketing to teachers programs that make their jobs easier by putting together code that spares them from grading homework. The half cocked web apps that they push out are fucking garbage.

1/2 is the same as .5, but these shitty programs don't know that, so students using these apps get their grades docked because the garbage ass interns who put these apps together don't account for it.

Fuck Pearson.

Preach it brother. Pearson is evil.

I'm trying to get through algebra, and I'm supposed to get the exact textbook edition. Same subject. Same class. Same writer. Algebra hasn't changed in the last century. So why the Hell do I need to get the exact edition (Out of 12?) and an access code. For a funky program that gives me a headache.

Most college grads have to fumble through algebra to get any kind of degree. So textbook publishers must be making a lot of money.

People complain about who is going to pay for college education but don't look at where the money is going. Almost any college degree requires algebra or something like it. Companies like Pearson are just parasites.

Here's the series,

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Here's the first video,



Grab pencil and paper, and do the work with him. Try to stay one lesson ahead of your class, so when you go into class, you're already introduced to what's going on. The internet is more than cat balls.