Obama's Parting Gifts

[Speaker to Animals]

Current year is the last time a socialist ran a European country. Today, France is run by a socialist, for example. European politics is littered with socialists.

The only socialist we have here in national politics is Bernie Sanders. That guy is it.

[BjornP]

Guys, who are these people?

https://www.pes.eu/oc/en/

Not Stalinists. Not Maoists. Not Communists. Socialism isn't Marxism. To be called a Marxist, you have... and this is hard to understand, I know... accept Marx's central beliefs. Otherwise you're just a guy who accepts some of his beliefs. It''s like you can be a Christian, even if you don't go to church every Sunday. But you can't really call yourself a Christian, or expect to be considered one if you believe in reincarnation, believe it doesn't really matter if Jesus was the Messiah or not, and believe that God is just a myth created to oppress people - but hey, you still believe Jesus was "a nice guy". Brands matter.

Some dingbat who puts on a Che shirt, isn't a Marxist for wearing a Che shirt no more than I'd become a Catholic for wearing a t-shirt with that Catholic geneticist dude. Kids gonna show how edgy they are. Yet kids are generally stupid about the world around them. It's like you and your Russophiliac phase with Putin. Kids being clueless about and glorifying foreign leaders as "cool" for killing the bourgeoisie, or "standing up to"... whomever it is the kids think are the source of all their problems... its' been done before. You're just a quite old Che kid. To be honest, though, I think the Che-wearing fad is all but over. But maybe it's just caught on more in the US, while it died out here.

[Speaker to Animals]

Jesus Christ, you people are impossible.

YES, it is marxism, Bjorn.

[Zlaxer]

Jesus Christ, you people are impossible.

YES, it is marxism, Bjorn.

Hey Kath, can you just go ahead and change his name back? That post, in its entirety, just doesn't sit well with StA in the upper left.

[Speaker to Animals]

"Oh, yeah, our leaders are socialists, but that's not marxism, dude.."

[Fife]

Why are the Marxists here so afraid/upset to embrace the name?

???

[Speaker to Animals]

I find myself wondering if they really are trying to delude us, or if they just deluded themselves at this point. What are we dealing with here? This cognitive dissonance they display is like a black hole.

[BjornP]

You guys have elected leaders belonging to the socialist party. Again: are you truly this clueless about your own politics?

You're incredible...


Poul Nyrup Rasmussen as a Marxist. You really are a clown. That's like calling a Conservative RINO a Nazi...and actually meaning it.

So he's not the leader of the socialist party? Man, somebody needs to fix Wikipedia and all the other entries about him. How could such a mix-up ever occur??

You go on and quote the parts where they want to let all immigrants from outside the EU freely into the EU. Or to get back to the issue, how about providing a quote of where he argues for abolishing private property of the means of production? Or how religion is the opiate of the masses. Or how about a quote of him arguing that getting paid for your work, instead of owning what you produce "alienates" you? Go on, Doctor.

No, he's not "the leader of the socialist party", given how it's not a party and everything. And even if hate the current EU, the EU has better control of its borders than you. You have how many illegals living and working within your country? How's that possible? Must be all those "Marxists"... who apparantly really don't like paying minimum wages. How very common for "Marxists". Your government must have so many "Marxists"...

And if you look in the China Communist thread, you'll find a map of the numbers of those Socialists compared to say the Conservative group.

Moving goalposts will only help you with your cheerleaders, StA.. It's right there in the post you quoted. I'm mocking you for painting him as a Marxist. Being a Socialist is not a monolithic thing. A Social Democrat is not a Marxist. A Social Democrat, especially a Danish one, is for capitalism, and Social Democrats are not the same in every European country. Danish Social Democrats are as different from Swedish Social Democrats as Chinese and Americans views on freedom when it comes to issues such as immigration as well as feminism.

You're talking out your ass.

[Speaker to Animals]

You can redefine the word marxism however you wish, Bjorn. It doesn't change the fact that we are talking about people like you. We are talking about the kinds of policies that have ruined western civilization over the past few generations.

Again, rename it to whatever you want. The name doesn't matter. We are still talking about the same thing, and it stinks.

[BjornP]

Why are the Marxists here so afraid/upset to embrace the name?

???

Why are the Fascist supporters of Trump here so afraid to embrace their name?

Deeeeeeerrrrrrrh....



Maybe because most of you idiots use the word like a kid wearing a Che shirt uses the word "Fascist"? That's why "us Marxists" (Yup, it's Marxist to disagree with morons who are too lazy to use dictionaries. ).