BLM Blamed for Spike in Deaths of Chicago's Blacks

[SuburbanFarmer]

So now we're comparing to other countries, because fuck it, why not.

Everyone in Somalia has a gun, and you never hear about police shootings in Somalia.

Wow look at that stunning jump of logic. A comparison with another industrialised nation where the police force doesn't carry firearms routinely can obviously be related to a lawless society where everyone carries AK 47's, there is no effective police force and life is cheaper than one of Clubby's jokes.
Want to know how many people have been shot and killed in England and Wales since 1990?
I bet you don't but I'll tell you anyway, it's 63. Not 63 per year that is the total figure since 1990 or fewer than 2.5 per year. Now you tell me the total since 1990 in the US. I'll let you divide it by 4 to make up for the difference in populations.

Your comparison sucks just as much as mine does. Britain isn't an armed nation. Comparison fail.

You posited that "disarming cops would lead to police deaths". Monte and I countered with the example of another first-world nation that doesn't use military police. You flailed about for Somalia, and now you're saying "it's just not the same". Have some dignity man.

[Fife]

Have some dignity man.

Sound advice Nathan.

[Kazmyr]

Wow look at that stunning jump of logic. A comparison with another industrialised nation where the police force doesn't carry firearms routinely can obviously be related to a lawless society where everyone carries AK 47's, there is no effective police force and life is cheaper than one of Clubby's jokes.
Want to know how many people have been shot and killed in England and Wales since 1990?
I bet you don't but I'll tell you anyway, it's 63. Not 63 per year that is the total figure since 1990 or fewer than 2.5 per year. Now you tell me the total since 1990 in the US. I'll let you divide it by 4 to make up for the difference in populations.

Your comparison sucks just as much as mine does. Britain isn't an armed nation. Comparison fail.

You posited that "disarming cops would lead to police deaths". Monte and I countered with the example of another first-world nation that doesn't use military police. You flailed about for Somalia, and now you're saying "it's just not the same". Have some dignity man.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Estimated ... by_country

In all fairness, Okee's comparison for Somalia sucks (if you go by this list) because not "everyone" has guns there.

But the UK is 82, well below the world average. No one is close to the US on this. So there's no real good comparison.

[Okeefenokee]

Wow look at that stunning jump of logic. A comparison with another industrialised nation where the police force doesn't carry firearms routinely can obviously be related to a lawless society where everyone carries AK 47's, there is no effective police force and life is cheaper than one of Clubby's jokes.
Want to know how many people have been shot and killed in England and Wales since 1990?
I bet you don't but I'll tell you anyway, it's 63. Not 63 per year that is the total figure since 1990 or fewer than 2.5 per year. Now you tell me the total since 1990 in the US. I'll let you divide it by 4 to make up for the difference in populations.

Your comparison sucks just as much as mine does. Britain isn't an armed nation. Comparison fail.

You posited that "disarming cops would lead to police deaths". Monte and I countered with the example of another first-world nation that doesn't use military police. You flailed about for Somalia, and now you're saying "it's just not the same". Have some dignity man.

THE PEOPLE IN BRITAIN DON'T HAVE GUNS!!!

Did you understand that?

[Fife]

THE PEOPLE IN BRITAIN DON'T HAVE GUNS!!!

Did you understand that?

[Montegriffo]

So now we're comparing to other countries, because fuck it, why not.

Everyone in Somalia has a gun, and you never hear about police shootings in Somalia.

Wow look at that stunning jump of logic. A comparison with another industrialised nation where the police force doesn't carry firearms routinely can obviously be related to a lawless society where everyone carries AK 47's, there is no effective police force and life is cheaper than one of Clubby's jokes.
Want to know how many people have been shot and killed in England and Wales since 1990?
I bet you don't but I'll tell you anyway, it's 63. Not 63 per year that is the total figure since 1990 or fewer than 2.5 per year. Now you tell me the total since 1990 in the US. I'll let you divide it by 4 to make up for the difference in populations.

Your comparison sucks just as much as mine does. Britain isn't an armed nation. Comparison fail.

Britain isn't an armed nation and is therefore much safer for both the public and the police is pretty much my whole argument.
The comparison between the UK and the US is off topic in terms of police killings of unarmed citizens I will concede but it is definitely on topic when it comes to how safe your society is. The UK had fewer murders of any kind last year than Chicago on it's own and in my mind the fact that firearms make murder so easy is the main factor in this.

[Okeefenokee]

Wow look at that stunning jump of logic. A comparison with another industrialised nation where the police force doesn't carry firearms routinely can obviously be related to a lawless society where everyone carries AK 47's, there is no effective police force and life is cheaper than one of Clubby's jokes.
Want to know how many people have been shot and killed in England and Wales since 1990?
I bet you don't but I'll tell you anyway, it's 63. Not 63 per year that is the total figure since 1990 or fewer than 2.5 per year. Now you tell me the total since 1990 in the US. I'll let you divide it by 4 to make up for the difference in populations.

Your comparison sucks just as much as mine does. Britain isn't an armed nation. Comparison fail.

Britain isn't an armed nation and is therefore much safer for both the public and the police is pretty much my whole argument.
The comparison between the UK and the US is off topic in terms of police killings of unarmed citizens I will concede but it is definitely on topic when it comes to how safe your society is. The UK had fewer murders of any kind last year than Chicago on it's own and in my mind the fact that firearms make murder so easy is the main factor in this.

They would still be killing each other in Chicago without guns. We've got guns all over the place in the US. Texas has over a million concealed carryers. We only have high crime like Chicago in a few places.

[Okeefenokee]

Texas Cities See Crime Rates Dropping

Between 2014 and 2015, the five largest cities in Texas saw an average drop of 6.5 percent in the overall crime rate per 100,000 residents, according to the analysis by the Brennan Center for Justice at New York University School of Law. Among the nation’s top cities, crime rates remained stagnant during this time, dropping by only 0.1 percent.

With an almost 10 percent drop in its crime rate, Austin saw the sharpest decrease in Texas and the nation.

https://www.texastribune.org/2016/04/22 ... as-cities/

[Montegriffo]

Well you could start by enforcing current laws on carrying hand guns in public for a start. You admitted yourself that you took a hand gun into the dessert without a permit and fired it off. You would get 5 years minimum just for possession here even if the gun had no ammunition. That is a massive disincentive for having a firearm in the UK so even the bad guys don't routinely carry them about and if gunshots were heard in a built up area the police would be there in force in no time at all. Due to the complete lack of weapons such as assault rifles and repeating shotguns the type of terrorist nightclub attacks seen elsewhere in Europe are extremely unlikely here and mass shootings are hopefully a thing of the past. Very few people in the UK live in fear of being shot where as a lot of average Americans are so scared they feel they have to arm themselves. Even buying ammo for firearms is virtually impossible for anyone other than farmers and pest control hunters of deer and the like.
Honestly, wouldn't you prefer to live in a society like that?
Small steps in the right direction such as much tighter controls on ammunition would be a good place to start. Even with all the guns in the US they are not much of a danger without bullets.

[Penner]

Penner is a lady.

Thanks. I thought maybe, possibly? But I couldn't remember.

Yeah, I always get called a dude here for some reason. I mean I talk about having a purse etc... but still, some people just assume I am a dude. I guess it's because I don't have a ladies name in my username (like Kath and MyDogJesse)