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Women Led the Temperance Charge

Temperance began in the early 1800s as a movement to limit drinking in the United States. The movement combined a concern for general social ills with religious sentiment and practical health considerations in a way that was appealing to many middle-class reformers. Women in particular were drawn to temperance in large numbers. Temperance reformers blamed “demon rum” for corrupting American culture and leading to violence, immorality and death.

The earliest temperance reformers were concerned with the overindulgence of American drinkers and encouraged moderation. By 1830, the average American older than 15 consumed at least seven gallons of alcohol a year. Alcohol abuse was rampant, and temperance advocates argued that it led to poverty and domestic violence. Some of these advocates were in fact former alcoholics themselves. In 1840, six alcoholics in Baltimore, Maryland, founded the Washingtonian Movement, one of the earliest precursors to Alcoholics Anonymous, which taught sobriety, or “teetotalism,” to its members. Teetotalism, so named for the idea of capital “T” total abstinence, emerged in this period and would become the dominant perspective of temperance advocates for the next century.

Women were active in the movement from the beginning. By 1831, there were 24 women’s organizations dedicated to temperance. It was an appealing cause because it sought to end a phenomenon that directly affected many women’s quality of life. Temperance was painted as a religious and moral duty that paired well with other feminine responsibilities. If total abstinence was achieved, the family, its home, its health and even its salvation would be secure. Women crusaders, particularly middle-class Protestants, pointed toward the Christian virtues of prudence, temperance and chastity, and encouraged people to practice these virtues by abstaining from alcohol.

The Civil War put an immediate, if temporary, end to early temperance efforts. States needed the tax revenue earned through alcohol sales, and many temperance reformers focused on bigger issues such as abolition or the health of soldiers. As the United States returned to life as usual in the 1870s, the next wave of temperance advocates set to work – this time with an aim at changing laws along with hearts. The Women’s Christian Temperance Union (WCTU) was one such group.

The WCTU was founded in 1873, and it became a national social reform and lobbying organization the following year. Its second president, Francis Willard, helped to grow the WCTU into the largest women’s religious organization in the 19th century. Willard was known for her self-proclaimed “Do Everything” policy. She was concerned with temperance as well as women’s rights, suffrage and international social justice. She saw alcoholics as mentally weak and unstable, and believed temperance could help improve the quality of life of individual alcoholics as well as their families and communities.

Willard also saw the value of the WCTU for its ability to increase opportunities for women. The organization trained women in important skills for a changing world – leadership, public speaking and political thinking. The way she shaped the WCTU perfectly summarizes the multifaceted goals of the female-dominated temperance movement. By using temperance as a rallying cry, they sought to improve the lives of women on many different levels.

Willard was a strong president, but her “Do Everything” policy became the WCTU’s greatest downfall. By tackling so many issues, it made little concrete progress on alcohol reform. One exception was the influence it had on public education. In 1881, the WCTU began to lobby for legally mandated temperance instruction in schools. By 1901, federal law required “scientific temperance” instruction in all public schools, federal territories’ and military schools. These lessons were similar to the anti-drug programs that exist in schools today, but they perpetuated anti-drinking propaganda and misinformation. Lessons stressed that a person could become an alcoholic after just one drink and that most drinkers died because of alcohol. They also perpetuated racist stereotypes, including the belief that African Americans could not hold their liquor.

As the temperance movement waged on, advocates became more extremist, none more so than Carrie Nation. Nation’s first husband, a doctor in the Union army, was an alcoholic. They married in 1867 and had one daughter before separating, due in part to his alcoholism. Nation and her second husband settled in Medicine Lodge, Kansas, in 1889, where she was involved with the local WCTU chapter. At the time, Kansas was a dry state, but the law was generally not enforced. Nation believed something must be done, and in June 1900 she awoke from a dream in which God suggested that she go to Kiowa, Kansas, and break down a saloon. Nation did just that, and for the next 10 years she used axes, hammers and rocks to attack bars and pharmacies – smashing bottles and breaking up wooden furniture. She was arrested 30 times.

Nation referred to these attacks as “hatchetations,” and justified her destruction of private property by describing herself as “a bulldog running along at the feet of Jesus, barking at what He doesn’t like.” One of the most radical components of Nation’s hatchetations was that she smashed pharmacies as well. She believed alcohol was evil regardless of use and thought the practice of prescribing alcohol for a host of ailments was as disturbing as the use of alcohol as a social lubricant.

Carrie Nation was a polarizing figure, but many people appreciated her actions and sent her gifts of hammers and hatchets. Companies also commemorated her efforts, and she sold souvenirs alongside her autobiography at lectures and other public appearances as she toured the country with her temperance message.

As the 20th century progressed, a final shift occurred in the Temperance Movement when groups such as the Anti-Saloon League began applying more political pressure and urging for state and federal legislation that would prohibit alcohol. As a shift toward legal action became the dominant approach to temperance, women, who still did not have the right to vote in most states, became less central to the movement. The early efforts of female temperance advocates no doubt shaped the movement, and the road to Prohibition was paved by their desire for a safer and healthier community.
http://prohibition.themobmuseum.org/the ... -movement/
Women’s Rights Advanced During Prohibition

Women’s public, private and political lives forever changed during the Prohibition era. Their involvement in passing the Prohibition amendment in 1919, gaining the right to vote a year later, and their growing autonomy at home, in the workplace and in relationships launched American women into uncharted territory.

The Prohibition amendment prohibiting the sale, manufacture and transportation of alcohol would not have passed without the persistence of the women involved in the temperance movement starting in the 19th century. The best known women’s organization favoring Prohibition was the Women’s Christian Temperance Union (WCTU). Throughout American history women have been involved in social clubs and charities, but the temperance movement not only allowed women to become participants in national politics, they were the driving force on this issue. These women were regulators of morality and advocates for other women and children who had been abused by drunken husbands and fathers.

By aligning the prohibition movement with the suffrage movement, women were able to drum up strong support for women’s right to vote. While the push for suffrage began in the middle of the 19th century, efforts surged forward during the 1910s with the National Woman’s Party. Several women’s suffrage associations produced pamphlets and magazines promoting their cause. Many women tried to vote illegally, picketed the White House, and went to jail for protesting.

In 1918 President Woodrow Wilson switched his stance on women’s suffrage and equated suffrage with the escalated involvement of women in World War I efforts. Just seven months after enacting the 18th Amendment, the 19th Amendment granting women the right to vote passed. Throughout the 1920s women made more political progress. Maria C. Brehm was the first female candidate for vice president when she ran on the Prohibition Party ticket in 1924.

Not only did public and political life undergo drastic changes for women during the Prohibition era, but women’s private lives changed as well. Women stepped into jobs while the men were away fighting in World War I, allowing them to make their own money. Riding the wave from Prohibition and women’s voting rights, the Roaring Twenties saw the rise of consumerism and technology. Widespread consumption of material goods filtered into homes through catalogues and magazines that grew thanks to advances in printing technology. During the Prohibition Era advertising companies began targeting women, empowering them with the ability to make buying choices and spend their own money.

These innovations afforded women from different socioeconomic backgrounds the chance to advance their status and to make more decisions for their households. Mass production techniques decreased the cost of products and allowed for women to become major players in the increasingly consumer-driven popular culture. Cosmetics as a consumer good soared in popularity.

The broad change in women’s rights and American culture during the Prohibition era reshaped the lives of women. Their newfound rights and liberties changed the way women were viewed by themselves and others and expanded their roles within society. These changes allowed women to transform from the traditional, essentially subservient roles of the Victorian era to the “New Woman” of the Prohibition era.
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I think Lileks might have been lurking yesterday. :goteam: :drunk:

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Speaker to Animals wrote: Sat Jul 27, 2019 3:30 am It was entirely a woman's movement. If men led any temperance movement organization, it was only because women installed them.
Ken Burns certainly gives women a lot of credit for the movement and celebrates women being leaders during it.
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Speaker to Animals wrote: Sat Jul 27, 2019 5:21 am
It was just women controlling men, and cuckish men throwing other men under the bus for female approval.
I wouldn't boil it down to just that. But it is very much a valid contributor. And this is where we see Ken Burns cherry picks his facts. I started the first episode again last night, and the feminist prohibition drive was presented. However, Burns' narration he points to rural and GOP politicians, leaving women out when discussing negative results of the Volstead Act.

Evangelical preachers pushed this shit hard, and with their influence during the Victorian age convinced men and women to further prohibition. Funny thing is Maine tried the shit early, it was a huge failure, all the indicators were there of what happens when you ban booze, but we did it anyway. That was how the US experiment was supposed to work. If a state has some wild idea, let them try it and see how it works out before all of us jump in and try it. It appears that Temperence nuts used the Commie model, 'We just haven't done Prohibition right yet'.
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C-Mag wrote: Sat Jul 27, 2019 7:53 am
Speaker to Animals wrote: Sat Jul 27, 2019 5:21 am
It was just women controlling men, and cuckish men throwing other men under the bus for female approval.
I wouldn't boil it down to just that. But it is very much a valid contributor. And this is where we see Ken Burns cherry picks his facts. I started the first episode again last night, and the feminist prohibition drive was presented. However, Burns' narration he points to rural and GOP politicians, leaving women out when discussing negative results of the Volstead Act.
He presented the long history of female temperance, but their successes were very limited and localized for all their publicity. It was pretty clear from both the show and other reading I've done that it was the male led Anti-Saloon League that made prohibition happen with a new kind of single issue political tactic, abandoning their own "Prohibition Party" and punishing any of either party politician who would even think of compromising on their issue by bloc voting. Sound familiar? It's a standard tool of both extremes now, but was new then.
We are only accustomed to dealing with like twenty online personas at a time so when we only have about ten people some people have to be strawmanned in order to advance our same relative go nowhere nonsense positions. -TheReal_ND
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The revival and Evangelical movements also were dominated by women. American protestants pioneered women involvement in social causes and even in women preachers.

You guys still are not seeing the deeper trend.
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brewster wrote: Sat Jul 27, 2019 9:48 am
C-Mag wrote: Sat Jul 27, 2019 7:53 am
Speaker to Animals wrote: Sat Jul 27, 2019 5:21 am
It was just women controlling men, and cuckish men throwing other men under the bus for female approval.
I wouldn't boil it down to just that. But it is very much a valid contributor. And this is where we see Ken Burns cherry picks his facts. I started the first episode again last night, and the feminist prohibition drive was presented. However, Burns' narration he points to rural and GOP politicians, leaving women out when discussing negative results of the Volstead Act.
He presented the long history of female temperance, but their successes were very limited and localized for all their publicity. It was pretty clear from both the show and other reading I've done that it was the male led Anti-Saloon League that made prohibition happen with a new kind of single issue political tactic, abandoning their own "Prohibition Party" and punishing any of either party politician who would even think of compromising on their issue by bloc voting. Sound familiar? It's a standard tool of both extremes now, but was new then.
No disagreements.
It's crazy that we got to the point where there was so much pressure to enact this that Congress over road Woodrow Wilsons Veto. I have no love for Woody Wilson, HATE-28 is my motto, but he tried to do the right thing here.
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Speaker to Animals wrote: Sat Jul 27, 2019 10:07 am The revival and Evangelical movements also were dominated by women. American protestants pioneered women involvement in social causes and even in women preachers.

You guys still are not seeing the deeper trend.
You're insisting there was only that one trend. It was several. And women were definitely never the leaders of the ASL.

https://bigthink.com/delancey-place/pol ... oon-league
The organization most responsible for Prohibition (the "drys" as opposed to the "wets") was the church-based Anti-Saloon League (ASL) and its legendary activist Wayne Wheeler. Wheeler was brilliant, indefatigable, and during his heyday, the most powerful man in American politics. Part of his effectiveness was his willingness to ally the ASL with any group that was willing to support Prohibition. For example, the ASL cooperated with the women's suffrage movement because Wheeler knew women would vote for "dry" candidates. The ASL supported those in favor of the income tax, because Prohibition would have been impossible except for the introduction of an income tax – prior to Prohibition there was no income tax, and taxes on alcohol represented as much as 30 to 40% of national income. Most insidious, though, was the tacit alliance of the ASL with the Ku Klux Klan. Drinking was something that was most closely associated with blacks and immigrants such as the Irish and Italians (both largely Catholic). These were the very groups targeted by the Klan, and so the Klan was strongly pro-Prohibition:
https://www.alcoholproblemsandsolutions ... ohibition/
Before the Civil War (1861-1865) temperance groups had promoted voluntary abstinence from alcohol. The War diverted national attention. Hence, the temperance movement fell into abeyance.

After the War, the movement resumed. Moral suasion had proved to be difficult and frustrating. Increasingly activists called for government to prohibit drinking.

The country was rapidly industrializing and urbanizing. Crime, poverty and disease increased.

Tens of millions of immigrants were arriving in the U.S. They tended to settle in large cities. Most immigrants were Catholic or Jewish. And they tended to come from Eastern and Southern Europe.

Existing citizens were largely Protestant. They tended to live in small towns and rural areas. Their ancestors had come largely from northern Europe. The new, culturally different immigrants threatened the existing order. Thus, a cultural war was emerging.
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Speaker to Animals wrote: Sat Jul 27, 2019 10:07 am The revival and Evangelical movements also were dominated by women. American protestants pioneered women involvement in social causes and even in women preachers.

You guys still are not seeing the deeper trend.
Here's why I implicitly distrust Evangelicals. The preach perfection, moral, ethical and religious perfection, like it can be truly attained. And they love to look down on anyone outside their group think, while doing it dirty like Jim and Tammy Fae in private.

One of the best aspects of Catholicism is understanding we are all sinners, we are all flawed and it is a constant struggle to behave righteously to god and our fellow man.
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brewster wrote: Sat Jul 27, 2019 10:22 am
Speaker to Animals wrote: Sat Jul 27, 2019 10:07 am The revival and Evangelical movements also were dominated by women. American protestants pioneered women involvement in social causes and even in women preachers.

You guys still are not seeing the deeper trend.
You're insisting there was only that one trend. It was several. And women were definitely never the leaders of the ASL.

https://bigthink.com/delancey-place/pol ... oon-league
The organization most responsible for Prohibition (the "drys" as opposed to the "wets") was the church-based Anti-Saloon League (ASL) and its legendary activist Wayne Wheeler. Wheeler was brilliant, indefatigable, and during his heyday, the most powerful man in American politics. Part of his effectiveness was his willingness to ally the ASL with any group that was willing to support Prohibition. For example, the ASL cooperated with the women's suffrage movement because Wheeler knew women would vote for "dry" candidates. The ASL supported those in favor of the income tax, because Prohibition would have been impossible except for the introduction of an income tax – prior to Prohibition there was no income tax, and taxes on alcohol represented as much as 30 to 40% of national income. Most insidious, though, was the tacit alliance of the ASL with the Ku Klux Klan. Drinking was something that was most closely associated with blacks and immigrants such as the Irish and Italians (both largely Catholic). These were the very groups targeted by the Klan, and so the Klan was strongly pro-Prohibition:
https://www.alcoholproblemsandsolutions ... ohibition/
Before the Civil War (1861-1865) temperance groups had promoted voluntary abstinence from alcohol. The War diverted national attention. Hence, the temperance movement fell into abeyance.

After the War, the movement resumed. Moral suasion had proved to be difficult and frustrating. Increasingly activists called for government to prohibit drinking.

The country was rapidly industrializing and urbanizing. Crime, poverty and disease increased.

Tens of millions of immigrants were arriving in the U.S. They tended to settle in large cities. Most immigrants were Catholic or Jewish. And they tended to come from Eastern and Southern Europe.

Existing citizens were largely Protestant. They tended to live in small towns and rural areas. Their ancestors had come largely from northern Europe. The new, culturally different immigrants threatened the existing order. Thus, a cultural war was emerging.
It was one trend and I have shown it well.

The Evangelical movement was the result of women taking control of Baptist, Wesleyan, and Pentacostal churches.
When Protestantism largely rejected religious orders as a viable form of Christian life, it opened the door once again to the question of women teachers and preachers. Among evangelical Protestants, this combined with a penchant for revivalism and their desire to facilitate large-scale lay participation in the reform and renewal of the churches. John Wesley established lay preachers as a means to facilitate revival, eventually supporting women in those roles. By the mid-1800s the role of the female lay preacher allowed Phoebe Palmer to make her case that women should preach and teach, although she stopped short of calling for ordination. The role of the female evangelist was born.

The ordination of women in the Wesleyan tradition (Methodist, Holiness, and Pentecostal) was a doctrinal development within a distinctly Protestant orbit in which new forms of lay religiosity opened the door to the question of women ministers. This also had an impact on the role of women as leaders of social organizations given that within these same circles forms of ecclesial life like the Salvation Army combined denominationalism with non-profit organization. When the Gender Parity Project discovered that the Wesleyan branch of evangelicalism had more women leaders in its academic non-profits it should come as no surprise.
https://www.firstthings.com/blogs/first ... gelicalism

These are the same women leading the charge in the Evangelical movement. They installed men who pandered to them for political power and money. They got what they wanted.

Then when women began drinking at speakeasies, they got what they wanted in the repeal.

If the HIV-infected media wanted to support gun rights, for example, they'd just portray gun control as an assault on women's bodies and the woman's right to defend herself.

You are just so pussy-bashed you can't allow yourself to see it. All the elites have to do is characterize something as an attack on women and the betas flock to protect wamanz. Same today as then. /shrug.