No Country for Old Hippies (Dan Carlin)

[Smitty-48]

The Woodstock generation did distrust the government because of shady FBI/CIA operations, Hoover, and Nixon. But it’s ludicrous to suggest that distrust matured into some kind of reverence for individual liberty. It matured into a seething hatred of the American system and unadulterated love for all things non-American.

Go to a public school or college campus. There’s your flower power boomers. How many fucks do they give about small government and individual liberty?

Zero.

The seething hatred was in place first. Vietnam was the rubric to hate America seethingly.

By the time the Pentagon Papers and Watergate came to light, the left had been loonie for years.

1968 was peak loonie. It's just getting back to where it started now.

[Smitty-48]

The main difference is postmoderism.

Back in modernity, you had the SDS Weather Underground and Black Panthers.

Now you have Antifa and Black Lives Matter.

It's the Millennial candy ass version of everything now, postmodern LARPing.

[Smitty-48]

This is how you can define the difference between modernity and postmodernity.

In modernity, you had to do things for real.

In postmodernity, you just meme.

This is what Marshall McLuhan was predicting back then, which is coming to pass now.

[DBTrek]

The main difference is postmoderism.

Back in modernity, you had the SDS Weather Underground and Black Panthers.

Now you have Antifa and Black Lives Matter.

It's the Millennial candy ass version of everything now, postmodern LARPing.

Oh you can tell today’s leftist movements are simply weak, carbon-copy clones of the flower children’s glory days. They can’t even come up with new causes. We have a bunch of kids in 2019 obsessed with rehashing the Civil Rights marches, slogans, and theater, some five decades after the law was passed.

They have no new material. They tried making gays the new blacks, and doing the whole civil rights thing again - but then America allowed gay marriage without so much as a shrug. That fucked them up. Turned out no one was oppressing them. No one even really cared.

So ... now it’s back to blacks ... and testing the waters for making illegal immigrants the new victims for which oppressive America must be destroyed. Always gotta destroy oppressive America for some underclass or another. Yawn.

[Smitty-48]

The main difference is postmoderism.

Back in modernity, you had the SDS Weather Underground and Black Panthers.

Now you have Antifa and Black Lives Matter.

It's the Millennial candy ass version of everything now, postmodern LARPing.

Oh you can tell today’s leftist movements are simply weak, carbon-copy clones of the flower children’s glory days. They can’t even come up with new causes. We have a bunch of kids in 2019 obsessed with rehashing the Civil Rights marches, slogans, and theater, some five decades after the law was passed.

They have no new material. They tried making gays the new blacks, and doing the whole civil rights thing again - but then America allowed gay marriage without so much as a shrug. That fucked them up. Turned out no one was impressing them. No one even really cared.

So ... now it’s back to blacks ... and testing the waters for making illegal immigrants the new victims for which oppressive America must be destroyed. Always gotta destroy oppressive America for some underclass or another. Yawn.

That's postmodernism. The Information Age.

Everything is homage, never looking forward, always looking back.

Because all information is recorded in perfect fidelity, nothing is new, because the past does not fade anymore.

[Smitty-48]

Vietnam also incited Grievance Farming.

Everybody had a grievance from Vietnam.

If you milked it, you got attention and gibs.

It's like millions of guys served in Vietnam.

But the media only focused on a tiny handful of disgruntled vets who had sob stories.

Nobody ever interviewed Charlie Beckwith about Vietnam.

But Tim O'Brien et al, have been interviewed about it thousands of times.

[Smitty-48]

If you watch the three big PBS Vietnam documentaries.

The Ten Thousand Day War.

Vietnam: A Television History.

Ken Burns: Vietnam.

They interview the same guys in all three.

The same handful of guys, specially selected by PBS, speak for millions.

[DBTrek]

Dude ... every leftist, self-proclaimed, Vietnam vet in this joint tells the same story about how they were “spit on at the airport” when they came home.

Must’ve been hundreds of thousands of people populating every airport in the US for the sole purpose of spitting on returning vets back then. It’s the only way all these so-called vets could’ve shared that exact, same experience.

Of course, almost all these liars were never spit on, and maybe only a quarter of them are actually Vietnam vets.

[Smitty-48]

Back in the 80's when we were working with the Americans, we met lots of Vietnam vets.

They were the senior NCO's.

They didn't fit the PBS mode.

Their only sob story was that they got stabbed in the back by the liberal media and associated hippies.

[DBTrek]

My dad did multiple tours in Vietnam as a green beret.
I WISH some motherfucker tried to spit on him.
Would’ve been the shortest, most violent incident, ever to occur at an airport.