If you want a job, you can get a job

[doc_loliday]

Are.. I think they're called vocational schools - the educations where you learn to be, say a carpenter or mechanic, that sort of thing - are they also free? Anyway, if the solution(s) needed to guide them is already in place, that's great and I'll have no other suggestions to make.

Yes, financial aid, and subsidized loans are available for trade schools. I believe, the problem, is in part, that children are told their whole lives to not go into the trades, or they will be failures that can never get out of poverty.

Moreover, if you were to tell this to many of the able bodied unemployed, they would balk, not only because of the reasons mentioned before, but also because of the burden of the transistion and the unrealistic nature of the solution. In other words" too hard, not possible, c'mon you can't be serious.

[Okeefenokee]

Eat the poor.

[doc_loliday]

I’ll enjoy it more when you can walk through a park or a nature trail and not dodge piles of dirty hypodermics.

From a link in the story....



https://mynorthwest.com/965072/bothell- ... syringes/?

Everyone, including children have to alter their lives around the devastation caused by addicts. We can't blame them for anything. Society caused them to liter their needles, society didn't put enough needle trash cans, society won't give them a free house to shoot in, er get clean in.

[doc_loliday]

I’ll enjoy it more when you can walk through a park or a nature trail and not dodge piles of dirty hypodermics.

“I’m angry. I think [that] is the best way to describe it,” Gebaroff said. “Of course it freaks you out when you see something like that. You hope that you catch it before, you know, the dog could’ve gotten stuck.”

Where is that anger directed? Gebaroff doesn’t like blaming homeless people.

“It’s not entirely their fault,” Gebaroff said. “The city council in Seattle has put this on everybody’s shoulders. I think they asked to welcome a lot of addicts up and down the West Coast and when they got here no one had a plan.”

One would think the city council would open their homes to the homeless. Of course they don't, dealing with the effects of drug addicts are your problem.

[BjornP]

Are.. I think they're called vocational schools - the educations where you learn to be, say a carpenter or mechanic, that sort of thing - are they also free? Anyway, if the solution(s) needed to guide them is already in place, that's great and I'll have no other suggestions to make.

Yes, financial aid, and subsidized loans are available for trade schools. I believe, the problem, is in part, that children are told their whole lives to not go into the trades, or they will be failures that can never get out of poverty.

Moreover, if you were to tell this to many of the able bodied unemployed, they would balk, not only because of the reasons mentioned before, but also because of the burden of the transistion and the unrealistic nature of the solution. In other words" too hard, not possible, c'mon you can't be serious.

Not a problem we have here; the trade schools/craftsman jobs being considered low status. I can see how getting an entire generation - or more - hooked on the idea that if they just go to college, pick anything they like, they'll find a job.. no matter what happens, what they can actually do or not.

That begs the question: Who once told them that? Government? How was it communicated? What was used to persuade people? I mean, can it... the method, the way this message of "College Uber Alles" be narratively dismantled the same way it got "indoctrinated" into generations of kids? And then used to sell the idea that: "No, college isn't and shouldn't be for everyone - check out these trade schools instead, or a military career, or *whatever*, instead"?

As an experiment, you could try a Kickstarter for the world's best sell for picking an American trade school education... maybe sponsored partly by a specific school? Something to persuade kids thinking of college to maybe pick something more reasonable. Put it on YouTube.

Anyway.. obviously just spitballing. One could always just hope the 400 homeless just get there all by themselves.

[MilSpecs]

There is not a job opening for everyone. There are job openings for people qualified for the specific job openings.

There are also lots of job openings for people who must work for less than the profession would normally pay, because we subsidize companies so they can wait us out.

[doc_loliday]

Not a problem we have here; the trade schools/craftsman jobs being considered low status. I can see how getting an entire generation - or more - hooked on the idea that if they just go to college, pick anything they like, they'll find a job.. no matter what happens, what they can actually do or not.

That begs the question: Who once told them that? Government? How was it communicated? What was used to persuade people? I mean, can it... the method, the way this message of "College Uber Alles" be narratively dismantled the same way it got "indoctrinated" into generations of kids? And then used to sell the idea that: "No, college isn't and shouldn't be for everyone - check out these trade schools instead, or a military career, or *whatever*, instead"?

As an experiment, you could try a Kickstarter for the world's best sell for picking an American trade school education... maybe sponsored partly by a specific school? Something to persuade kids thinking of college to maybe pick something more reasonable. Put it on YouTube.

Anyway.. obviously just spitballing. One could always just hope the 400 homeless just get there all by themselves.

For many liberals, the institution of college is actually the ideal state, where tenured, unquestioned philosopher kings can dictate how society and lives of civilians are run, and historically speaking, which wars are fought.

But regarding your questions, who told us college gives us meaning? College educated teachers. I heard it my whole life from them, and to some extent my parents, who never had any details mind you, just a generic, "go to college so you won't be poor". Even now, there's a myth that a college degree makes you informed.

There is pushback. You got guys like Mike Rowe out there, he's on TV, on podcasts and the radio, and in the halls of congress, reminding everyone of that there is a whole nother world outside of college.

[doc_loliday]

There is not a job opening for everyone. There are job openings for people qualified for the specific job openings.

There are also lots of job openings for people who must work for less than the profession would normally pay, because we subsidize companies so they can wait us out.

And despite all aforementioned free and subsidized education, training and support given, there is always some reason why you shouldn't even try.

[DBTrek]

Anyway.. obviously just spitballing. One could always just hope the 400 homeless just get there all by themselves.

Not 400 homeless.
400 semi-permanent homeless camps erected on public land in the city.
Seattle has 10,000+ homeless, some who have traveled across several states to get here.

[DBTrek]

There are also lots of job openings for people who must work for less than the profession would normally pay, because we subsidize companies so they can wait us out.

False.
No one works for less than a profession will pay.