Americans Woke on Fake News

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Re: Americans Woke on Fake News

Post by kybkh » Mon Apr 02, 2018 12:00 pm

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Re: Americans Woke on Fake News

Post by Hastur » Mon Apr 02, 2018 11:24 pm

kybkh wrote:Where does the cohesive national narrative come from now?

Who are the Truth Tellers?
Was there ever a cohesive national narrative that was true? Wasn't it always fake? It's just more polarized now and everything has to fit the narrative. If a story can't be spun into supporting the current narrative it won't be reported at all.

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Re: Americans Woke on Fake News

Post by kybkh » Tue Apr 03, 2018 7:00 am

Hastur wrote:
kybkh wrote:Where does the cohesive national narrative come from now?

Who are the Truth Tellers?
Was there ever a cohesive national narrative that was true? Wasn't it always fake? It's just more polarized now and everything has to fit the narrative. If a story can't be spun into supporting the current narrative it won't be reported at all.

I like these guys.
https://www.theknifemedia.com
A breath of fresh air.
Yes, there was a very cohesive national narrative until the Boomers.

Was it all a lie? Only after the 1960s. As long as we held true to Manifest Destiny there was no guilt.

There should be no guilt. Colonialist are just the latest, much kinder, version of the Assyrians and all the empires which came before us.
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Re: Americans Woke on Fake News

Post by de officiis » Tue Apr 03, 2018 9:29 am

How many of us would subscribe to a news service dedicated to telling truthful news? The percentage of you who would not corresponds to the severity of the current problem.
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Post by nmoore63 » Tue Apr 03, 2018 9:32 am

de officiis wrote:How many of us would subscribe to a news service dedicated to telling truthful news? The percentage of you who would not corresponds to the severity of the current problem.
Who currently has the credible to sell that product assuming they sincerely wanted to?

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Re: Americans Woke on Fake News

Post by DBTrek » Tue Apr 03, 2018 9:41 am

We need a prolog algorithm that simply sorts the news according to true/false fact evaluation- then spits out dry, fact-reports as news articles.
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Re: Americans Woke on Fake News

Post by Speaker to Animals » Tue Apr 03, 2018 10:04 am

DBTrek wrote:We need a prolog algorithm that simply sorts the news according to true/false fact evaluation- then spits out dry, fact-reports as news articles.
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Do you have any idea how hard that problem is?

That "simple" algorithm would win you a Nobel Prize.

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Re: Americans Woke on Fake News

Post by DBTrek » Tue Apr 03, 2018 10:07 am

Less hard if a fact-database can be assembled to test against (behold, the internet).
Less hard if a basic fact evaluation algorithm can be written implemented.

You’ll never achieve perfection, but that’s not the goal. The goal is more accuracy and less bias than the current media. Achieving that shouldn’t require too many MIT grads.
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Re: Americans Woke on Fake News

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Re: Americans Woke on Fake News

Post by Speaker to Animals » Tue Apr 03, 2018 10:27 am

DBTrek wrote:Less hard if a fact-database can be assembled to test against (behold, the internet).
Less hard if a basic fact evaluation algorithm can be written implemented.

You’ll never achieve perfection, but that’s not the goal. The goal is more accuracy and less bias than the current media. Achieving that shouldn’t require too many MIT grads.

Just identifying a fact alone is an intractable problem. You can only assign confidence values. Most of the methods for doing this involve something similar to Google's page rank algorithm, which is essentially hacked by all the collusion and coordinated messaging. Second method is by creating lists of "trusted" sources, but we don't really have trustworthy sources. They are all trying to hide or distort the truth, or outright lie, in order to further an agenda.

Then there is the computational linguistics problem of processing a news article into some semantic representation that is accurate, which can then be verified with the your facts ontology.