New gun regulations in Norway

[Otern]

The right to bear arms in Britain from the 1689 English Bill of Rights stood until 1920, when the Firearms Act was passed, the rubric being "communists and saboteurs!" using "readily available firearms!" in the wake of the First World War, for an "uprising!" of the working classes and Irish Fenians, pretty much went from there to total prohibition for all intents and purposes, by 1968.

The Brits had the idea of the right to bear arms from old Norse culture. Thralls, even though they were slaves, had a recognized inherent right to carry a seax, a long type of knife, suitable for self defense. So it's not even a uniquely anglo thing.

And the largest shooting organization in Norway is "Det frivillige skyttervesen". This is the Militia of Norway, but in recent history, it's been just changed to a sports organization, even though that was not the intent at all. It was supposed to exist, to make Norway more able to defend themselves against foreign powers, sort of like the 2nd amendment. But it's not a part of the constitution, which is why it's eroded now. What was designed as a militia, is now just a bunch of old guys with their tacked out Sauers in 6,5x55, trying to shut down any shooting sport that is not theirs.

Volunteers in that organization where the ones fighting the Germans in WW2, so the King could escape, but now they've just turned into a sport organization, like any others.

Guess it's a lesson why you americans must never give room to the grabbers. Don't say we need guns for sport or hunting, stick by the 2nd amendment, or you'll fragment the entire thing.

[Okeefenokee]

[Smitty-48]

It doesn't hurt to have a national origin story connected to gun owning citizens fighting off a gun confiscating foreign power.

That was the case in Britain as well, the nation of origin being the Reformation, the confiscating foreign power being the Pope in Rome by way of Versailles.

[clubgop]

It doesn't hurt to have a national origin story connected to gun owning citizens fighting off a gun confiscating foreign power.

That was the case in Britain as well, the nation of origin being the Reformation, the confiscating foreign power being the Pope in Rome by way of Versailles.

Yeah that's convoluted. And then you fucked that up with Cromwell, anyway.

[ssu]

Here too they are making gun laws tighter: semi-automatic rifles that have bigger magazine than a few rounds will likely be deemed "extremely dangerous weapons" and thus it will be extremely difficult for people to buy semi-automatic rifles, especially those which have their military assault rifle counterparts. Some proposals make buying of these rifles hilariously difficult, like the proposal that in order to get a licence for an "extremely dangerous" semi, you would need the same training as to supervise military live-fire excersizes. Now reservists can do that here, but it's a quite long course and obviously something totally different from shooting a rifle, hence the proposal is designed to be a prohibitive measure.

Basically the present administration and the government is quite OK with gun ownership. The government understands that there is an obvious need for reservists to have the ability to train shooting independently as the military simply doesn't have the ability to provide firing practice to reservists (and let's remember that more than every tenth Finn, hence every fifth male is basically a reservist). The present administration has been against the stricter gun laws pushed by the EU, but the devil is in the details. Even if the government is generally supportive of reservists owning AK-type rifles (like the Sako M95, which is the civilian version of the Finnish assault rifle), that doesn't then stop the anti-gun lobby of making things harder. The present way is just to sneak in tighter EU gun laws without telling anything about it.

What still is a great thing is that there has been a lot of support from the police on this issue of reservist owning guns. Not only has the police had this down to Earth attitude towards guns, many individual policemen have helped gun ownership. Best example was when in the 1980's the Finnish army was planning to destroy huge quantities of WW2 rifles, one active policeman went around the country getting reservist and reservist associations to buy these rifles and helped them in the acquirement. Hundreds of rifles many in pristine condition ended up with citizens rather than face destruction.

Policemen actively promoting gun ownership is something that one rarely finds today.

[Smitty-48]

It doesn't hurt to have a national origin story connected to gun owning citizens fighting off a gun confiscating foreign power.

That was the case in Britain as well, the nation of origin being the Reformation, the confiscating foreign power being the Pope in Rome by way of Versailles.

Yeah that's convoluted. And then you fucked that up with Cromwell, anyway.

Er, well, if that was "us", then that was "you" at the time as well, unless you're disavowing "us" being "we", and going full on Zionist.

You didn't invent the right to bear arms, we did, and you didn't appear out of thin air in 1776, you came from we.

Moreover, we didn't actually invent gun control, you did, didn't come from England, but rather your Wild West, we had no gun control at the time.

Furthermore, not only did you invent gun control and have it first, you've got a massive amount of gun control now, slightly less gun control is not no gun control, and frankly, the difference between your gun control and my gun control, is marginal at best, after all, it's not like I'm not heavily armed up in here, cousin.

To wit, what's the difference between your AR15's and our AR15's?

Not to mention, despite all your crowing about right not a privilege, the realpoilitik of it is, there are myriad ways in which the state renders your de jure right into a de facto privilege in America, ain't no thang, they do it all the time, and they're coming up with new and fallacious reasons to do it, ceaselessly.

Your gun grabbers are just as crazy as our gun grabbers, in fact, they are arguably more crazy, and they've only made slightly less progress than our gun grabbers in real terms, you're a cunt hair away from a Federal AWB at all times, which is tantamount to being Canadianized for all intents and purposes.

Hell, don't look now, but the Republican President of the United States; is a gun grabber, the gun grabbers of America are on the march.

As if you are somehow insulated from a Cromwell? Please, Cromwell is alive and well, in America as much as anywhere, you've got knee jerk prohibitionist Protestant would be tyrants coming out of your ears, good lord, at one point they actually banned you from even having a beer, what, you think that cray-cray has gone away? Not at all, the prohibitionist cray-cray in America is as strong as ever, it's right there with the entry shotgun while you kitty bar the door, all day every day.

[clubgop]

That was the case in Britain as well, the nation of origin being the Reformation, the confiscating foreign power being the Pope in Rome by way of Versailles.

Yeah that's convoluted. And then you fucked that up with Cromwell, anyway.

Er, well, if that was "us", then that was "you" at the time as well, unless you're disavowing "us" being "we", and going full on Zionist.

You didn't invent the right to bear arms, we did, and you didn't appear out of thin air in 1776, you came from we.

Moreover, we didn't actually invent gun control, you did, didn't come from England, but rather your Wild West, we had no gun control at the time.

Furthermore, not only did you invent gun control and have it first, you've got a massive amount of gun control now, slightly less gun control is not no gun control, and frankly, the difference between your gun control and my gun control, is marginal at best, after all, it's not like I'm not heavily armed up in here, cousin.

To wit, what's the difference between your AR15's and our AR15's?

Not to mention, despite all your crowing about right not a privilege, the realpoilitik of it is, there are myriad ways in which the state renders your de jure right into a de facto privilege in America, ain't no thang, they do it all the time, and they're coming up with new and fallacious reasons to do it, ceaselessly.

Your gun grabbers are just as crazy as our gun grabbers, in fact, they are arguably more crazy, and they've only made slightly less progress than our gun grabbers in real terms, you're a cunt hair away from a Federal AWB at all times, which is tantamount to being Canadianized for all intents and purposes.

Hell, don't look now, but the Republican President of the United States; is a gun grabber, the gun grabbers of America are on the march.

As if you are somehow insulated from a Cromwell? Please, Cromwell is alive and well, in America as much as anywhere, you've got knee jerk prohibitionist Protestant would be tyrants coming out of your ears, good lord, at one point they actually banned you from even having a beer, what, you think that cray-cray has gone away? Not at all, the prohibitionist cray-cray in America is as strong as ever, it's right there with the entry shotgun while you kitty bar the door, all day every day.

Whoa dude! I just said the origin story has a big pregnant pause in there that is all I meant. It ruins the story.

Furthermore, not only did you invent gun control and have it first, you've got a massive amount of gun control now, slightly less gun control is not no gun control, and frankly, the difference between your gun control and my gun control, is marginal at best, after all, it's not like I'm not heavily armed up in here, cousin.

To wit, what's the difference between your AR15's and our AR15's?

Not to mention, despite all your crowing about right not a privilege, the realpoilitik of it is, there are myriad ways in which the state renders your de jure right into a de facto privilege in America, ain't no thang, they do it all the time, and they're coming up with new and fallacious reasons to do it, ceaselessly.

Your gun grabbers are just as crazy as our gun grabbers, in fact, they are arguably more crazy, and they've only made slightly less progress than our gun grabbers in real terms, you're a cunt hair away from a Federal AWB at all times, which is tantamount to being Canadianized for all intents and purposes.

Yeah, I agree with all that. We just have the institutional advantage here. Are gun grabbers as uninformed there as they are here? Cause the stupid burns.

[Smitty-48]

Not hatin', just sayun'; We're Americans too, we're the Loyalists, and we didn't actually break up over the guns, it's not the case that the American Loyalists were in favour of gun confiscation by the British Army in the midst of the Revolutionary War, the Loyalists were clinging to their guns as much as any other Americans, particularly since other Americans were actually out to kill them at the time.

[Smitty-48]

Also, to be fair to the British, and contrary to the mythology being propagated here, gun confiscation was not a widespread and ingrained British policy, but rather a war measure in a state of emergency in the face of armed insurrection, which, the United States government reserves the right to impose, a Well Regulated Militia in armed insurrection, is no well regulated militia, which the United States Government killed 300,000 odd uppity Americans to prove, from Ft. Sumter to Appomattox Courthouse.

Nobody has killed more Americans to impose on Americans than the United States government, the British only inflicted 6,800 KIA in the Revolutionary War.

Horribly repressed America standing up to big bad Britain to save America from gun control is a bunch of nonsensical blather, not the case at all, the one thing has nothing to do with the other, the American Revolution had nothing to do with guns, that's just some balderdash revision from the current gun control debate being transplanted ahistorically, which is pretty much what Americans do with everything these days, otherwise known as the nostalgia for an America that never was.

As I said, even the English didn't succumb to their gun grabbers until 1920, had nothing to do with George III, they got fear mongered in a bum rush over the twin bogeys of Irish Fenians! and Soviet Bolsheviks!