#metoo apology accepted

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Re: #metoo apology accepted

Post by Speaker to Animals » Sat Jan 13, 2018 11:22 am

DrYouth wrote:
Speaker to Animals wrote:Sounds like he asked her on a date or tried to flirt with her. Leftist women see a man they are not attracted to trying to flirt with them as sexual assault. Also, a man they do find attractive and who does not flirt with them is a misogynist.
I dunno sounds to me like he was a creepy boss who bullied his employee.

I don't know why you want to make excuses for him. He isn't making excuses for himself.

Sounds like he was being a shitty person, he got called out and now he's owning up to that.

Good on him. More people should take ownership when they have been shitty. Men and women alike.

Its not easy to do.... it's easier to blame other people for our shitty behaviour.

Sounds to me like you make a lot of assumptions about how bad his behavior really was. These leftist men will admit to anything and allow themselves to be sacrificed on the altar of Moloch. We saw that well enough with Franken. They also probably see it as a form of damage control to salvage their livelihoods in the scorched earth attack of some random woman.

Maybe he did something horrible, maybe not. Prior probability in these matters dictates it's probably something minor such as asking her out a few times or making advances. I am not kidding when I say that is literally sexual harassment to leftist women when they are not interested in the man. If they are interested in him, then they demand it. That's the hilarious part.

My personal gut feeling is that most of these extremely cucked leftist men lack the balls for outright sexual harassment, Mad Men-style. I disbelieve these accusations on the face of them without evidence.

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Re: #metoo apology accepted

Post by Penner » Sat Jan 13, 2018 12:14 pm

DrYouth wrote:https://www.spin.com/2018/01/dan-harmon ... ium=button

Huh.

So that's something.
Yeah, I heard about this. He admits that he sexually harassed someone and she accepted his apology.
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Re: #metoo apology accepted

Post by DrYouth » Sat Jan 13, 2018 1:34 pm

Speaker to Animals wrote:Sounds to me like you make a lot of assumptions about how bad his behavior really was.
I'm not making assumptions, I'm taking him at his word.
I'm not taking her at her word.

But I hear what you're saying.
Leftists are such cucks they couldn't possibly be creepy harassers.
They just get sucked into believing that they are when if fact they are too cuckish to harass anyone for real.

Not sure I'm buying that entirely.
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Re: #metoo apology accepted

Post by Penner » Sat Jan 13, 2018 1:57 pm

I thought it would be interesting to have Harmon's whole transcript of his apology posted here:

I was attracted to an employee. I really want to be really careful about that language because a huge part of the problem is a culture of feeling things that you think are unique and significant because they are happening to you and saying things like “I had feelings for” and “I fell for” and all these things. The most clinical way I can put it in ’fessing up to my crimes is that I was attracted to a writer that I had power over because I was a showrunner, and I knew enough to know that these feelings were bad news. That was easy enough to know. I knew that they ran the risk of undercutting people’s faith in my judgement, her faith in her talent, the other writers’ respect for me, the entire production, the audience. I knew that I wasn’t doing anybody any favors by feeling these things, and so I did the cowardly, easiest, laziest thing you could do with feelings like that, and I didn’t deal with them. And in not dealing with them, I made everybody else deal with them. Especially her.

Flirty, creepy. Everything other than overt enough to constitute betraying your live-in girlfriend to whom you’re going home every night who’s actually smart enough and respectful enough to ask you, “Do you have feelings for that young writer that you’re talking about, that you’re paying all this attention to?” and saying to her, “No,” because the trick is, if you lie to yourself, you can lie to everybody. It’s really easy.

And so that’s what I continued to do, telling myself and anybody that threatened to confront me with it that if you thought what I was doing was creepy or flirty or unprofessional, then it’s because you were the sexist. You were jealous. I was supporting this person, I’m a mentor. I’m a feminist. It’s your problem, not mine, that you’re the one who’s seeing things through that lens. And so I let myself keep doing it.

It’s not as if this person didn’t repeatedly communicate to me the idea that what I was doing was divesting her of a recourse to integrity. I just didn’t hear it because it didn’t profit me to hear it, and this was, after all, happening to me. And so after a season of playing it that way, I broke up with my girlfriend, who I had lied to the whole time, while lying to myself. Lied to her about why I was breaking up with her, because I thought that would make having inappropriate feelings for a co-worker appropriate, if I wasn’t involved.

I want you to be the one to examine this every step of the way and decide for yourself where I’m making mistakes. I don’t want to explain to you what I’ve learned. I want you to look at this and I want it to sound relatively unremarkable to you, because that’s the danger.

I broke up with my girlfriend, then I went full-steam into creeping on my employee. Now I wasn’t in danger of being “a bad person,” and then after that season I got overt about my feelings because it was wrapped and said “I love you,” and she said the same thing she’d been saying the entire time in one language or another: “Please, don’t you understand that focusing on me like this, liking me like this, preferring me like this, I can’t say no to it, and when you do it, it makes me unable to know whether I’m good at my job.”

And because I finally got to the point where I said to her, “I love you,” because that’s what I thought it was, when you target somebody for two years and was therefore rejected that way, I was humiliated, and so I continued to do the cowardly thing and continued to do the selfish thing. Now I wanted to teach her a lesson. I wanted to show her that if she didn’t like being liked in that way, then, oh boy, she should get over herself. After all, if you’re just gonna be a writer, then this is how “just writers” get treated. And that was probably the darkest of it all. I’m gonna assume that when she tweets about it and refers to “trauma” that that’s probably it, because I drank. I took pills. I crushed on her and resented her for not reciprocating it, and the entire time I was the one writing her paychecks and in control of whether she stayed or went and whether she felt good about herself or not, and said horrible things. Just treated her cruelly, pointedly. Things that I would never, ever, ever have done if she had been male and if I had never had those feelings for her. And I lied to myself the entire time about it, and I lost my job. I ruined my show. I betrayed the audience. I destroyed everything, and I damaged her internal compass.

And I moved on. And I never did it before, and I will never do it again, but I certainly wouldn’t have been able to do it if I had any respect for women on a fundamental level. I was thinking about them as different creatures. I was thinking about the ones that I liked as having some special role in my life, and I did it all by not thinking about it.

So I just wanna say, in addition to obviously being sorry, but that’s really not the important thing, I wanna say I did it by not thinking about it, and I got away with it by not thinking about it. And if she hadn’t mentioned something on Twitter, I would’ve continued to not have to think about it, although I did walk around with my stomach in knots about it, but I wouldn’t have had to talk about it.

The last and most important thing I can say is just: Think about it. No matter who you are at work, no matter where you’re working, no matter what field you’re in, no matter what position you have over or under or side by side with somebody, just think about it. You gotta, because if you don’t think about it, you’re gonna get away with not thinking about it, and you can cause a lot of damage that is technically legal and hurts everybody. And I think that we’re living in a good time right now, because we’re not gonna get away with it anymore. And if we can make it a normal part of our culture that we think about it and possibly talk about it, then maybe we can get to a better place where that stuff doesn’t happen. So that’s it. Please don’t hurt her. Please don’t make this worse on anybody but me, and let’s move on. I’m bad at ending things.

https://slate.com/arts/2018/01/dan-harm ... ntown.html
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Re: #metoo apology accepted

Post by Speaker to Animals » Sat Jan 13, 2018 1:59 pm

So he told her he was in love with her. *shudder*. How do women survive?

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Re: #metoo apology accepted

Post by Okeefenokee » Sat Jan 13, 2018 2:48 pm

DrYouth wrote:
Speaker to Animals wrote:Sounds like he asked her on a date or tried to flirt with her. Leftist women see a man they are not attracted to trying to flirt with them as sexual assault. Also, a man they do find attractive and who does not flirt with them is a misogynist.
I dunno sounds to me like he was a creepy boss who bullied his employee.

I don't know why you want to make excuses for him. He isn't making excuses for himself.

Sounds like he was being a shitty person, he got called out and now he's owning up to that.

Good on him. More people should take ownership when they have been shitty. Men and women alike.

Its not easy to do.... it's easier to blame other people for our shitty behaviour.
Or he knows he doesn't have a choice other than submit to the mob.
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Re: #metoo apology accepted

Post by clubgop » Sat Jan 13, 2018 4:29 pm

Okeefenokee wrote:
DrYouth wrote:
Speaker to Animals wrote:Sounds like he asked her on a date or tried to flirt with her. Leftist women see a man they are not attracted to trying to flirt with them as sexual assault. Also, a man they do find attractive and who does not flirt with them is a misogynist.
I dunno sounds to me like he was a creepy boss who bullied his employee.

I don't know why you want to make excuses for him. He isn't making excuses for himself.

Sounds like he was being a shitty person, he got called out and now he's owning up to that.

Good on him. More people should take ownership when they have been shitty. Men and women alike.

Its not easy to do.... it's easier to blame other people for our shitty behaviour.
Or he knows he doesn't have a choice other than submit to the mob.
No this paragraph explains it all.
And so that’s what I continued to do, telling myself and anybody that threatened to confront me with it that if you thought what I was doing was creepy or flirty or unprofessional, then it’s because you were the sexist. You were jealous. I was supporting this person, I’m a mentor. I’m a feminist. It’s your problem, not mine, that you’re the one who’s seeing things through that lens. And so I let myself keep doing it.
Typical liberal bullshit. I am black therefore I can't be racist, I am a liberal feminist therefore I can't be acting like a schoolboy with a crush. Is this sexual harrashment? No. Is it criminal? No. Is it assault? Fuck no. Is it conduct unbecoming a man in command? Yes.

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Re: #metoo apology accepted

Post by JohnDonne » Sun Jan 14, 2018 8:42 am

I think this Harmon guy has a history of passive aggressive behavior, he had a feud with Chevy Chase where he crossed the line a couple times, although it was funny to read about.

But we are supposed to understand that this is the ideal apology: A public, self flaggelating pages long stripping away of the ego. And this is necessary because he is in charge and he was subject to human frailty and weakness, pettiness and so on.

I’m torn between respecting it and being creeped out, kind of like watching a religious ceremony where a guy crucifies himself.

I mean, if someone wrongs me I don’t want them to crucify themselves in public, I don’t get why this is supposed to “make it right.” a simple emotionally real “I’m sorry” with some acknowledgement should do just fine.

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Re: #metoo apology accepted

Post by C-Mag » Sun Jan 14, 2018 9:17 am

doc_loliday wrote:Maybe he has undiagnosed restless cock syndrome. I feel sorry for him.
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Re: #metoo apology accepted

Post by Penner » Sun Jan 14, 2018 11:19 am

JohnDonne wrote:I think this Harmon guy has a history of passive aggressive behavior, he had a feud with Chevy Chase where he crossed the line a couple times, although it was funny to read about.

But we are supposed to understand that this is the ideal apology: A public, self flaggelating pages long stripping away of the ego. And this is necessary because he is in charge and he was subject to human frailty and weakness, pettiness and so on.

I’m torn between respecting it and being creeped out, kind of like watching a religious ceremony where a guy crucifies himself.

I mean, if someone wrongs me I don’t want them to crucify themselves in public, I don’t get why this is supposed to “make it right.” a simple emotionally real “I’m sorry” with some acknowledgement should do just fine.

Yeah, I think it was obvious that he was like "an asshole" in real life. I also heard that he has a drinking problem (or had one) that help lead to these incidents.
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