100 Years. 100 Million Lives. Think Twice.

[brewster]

Nothing complicated here, Stalinism sucked, and still sucks. Stalinism is not, and was not ever, actual socialism. Just another form of kleptocracy and feudalism. All you need to know is whether a country is preventing it's citizens from voting with their feet. My grandfather escaped Ukraine in the 1920's by paying tobacco smugglers. Say what you will about the USA, but everyone clamoring to get here, not to leave.

We are specifically talking about Communism, Stalin was a Communist leader.

Communism needs to be given the Holocaust Treatment.

Not that I'm a fan of communism, but stalinism is just totalitarianism with a veneer of different bullshit than Fascism. Just like all these "Democracies" in Africa with "one man, one vote, one time" Presidents for Life. I'm not sure there's ever actually been an actual "Communist" state any more than there's been a Democratic one.

[C-Mag]

Nothing complicated here, Stalinism sucked, and still sucks. Stalinism is not, and was not ever, actual socialism. Just another form of kleptocracy and feudalism. All you need to know is whether a country is preventing it's citizens from voting with their feet. My grandfather escaped Ukraine in the 1920's by paying tobacco smugglers. Say what you will about the USA, but everyone clamoring to get here, not to leave.

We are specifically talking about Communism, Stalin was a Communist leader.

Communism needs to be given the Holocaust Treatment.

Not that I'm a fan of communism, but stalinism is just totalitarianism with a veneer of different bullshit than Fascism. Just like all these "Democracies" in Africa with "one man, one vote, one time" Presidents for Life. I'm not sure there's ever actually been an actual "Communist" state any more than there's been a Democratic one.

What I hear you saying is, Communism would work if it were only properly applied. But history shows that is a Canard. I get worked up over this. Communism killed a 100 Million people in a century, why make excuses for them. A survey of communism shows it is a fertile ground for strong man dictators, Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, Fidel, Chavez, Kim Jong family.

History also shows unparraled brutality to human life. While Democracies or Republics don't always succeed, they have a pretty decent track record, still they are the worst form of government; except all the rest.

[Fife]

I'm not sure there's ever actually been an actual "Communist" state any more than there's been a Democratic one.

[Fife]

[Fife]

[C-Mag]

Fife got Triggered

[brewster]

What I hear you saying is, Communism would work if it were only properly applied.

Nope, you heard wrong. All I said was it's never been tried. I have no idea if it would work. Lots of people think pure Democracy would be a disaster too. All Fife's poster shows is totalitarian dictators using a veneer of Communism just like other totalitarians use a veneer of Democracy. Both are bullshit, the facts on the ground of all are simply power and corruption for it's own ends. China today isn't Communist, it's basically a bigger version of Singapore. A totalitarian state that uses capitalism when it's convenient and force when it's not.

[Speaker to Animals]

The amusement comes when we present examples of capitalism failing, and Fife responds that those weren't examples of legitimate capitalism..

[DBTrek]

Only the real communism which humans can never try will be successful.
Duh.

[Fife]