Tearing Down Twain?

[Speaker to Animals]

Hannarchy: rape apologist, hates women, supports Mark Twain.

What was that?

I missed it on account of I was setting up an Al Franken defense Go Fund Me.

I'll sell you down the river, Jim.

[Okeefenokee]

Hannarchy: rape apologist, hates women, supports Mark Twain.

What was that?

I missed it on account of I was setting up an Al Franken defense Go Fund Me.

I'll sell you down the river, Jim.

top sass

[GloryofGreece]

Good Stuff

https://www.audible.com/pd/Classics/Mar ... 200&sr=1-1

[BjornP]

I am absolutely shocked that people a century and more ago held different norms and values about sexuality, childhood, proper moral behavior and which things belonged in the private vs the public sphere.

/sarcasm off

I got no problem with people "tearing down" historical heroe, because it's ridiculous in the first place to need people to be (or appear) perfect in order to justify enjoying the fruits of their labor. Sadly, I suspect quite a lot of those wanting "tear down" Twain, won't understand that. They will think: "Twain doesn't conform to my ideal, nothing he said, thought or wrote, can therefore hold any value! *skreeeeeeeeeeee!*". The problem isn't Twain, then, you twat, it's your ridiculous ideals.

[K@th]

I am absolutely shocked that people a century and more ago held different norms and values about sexuality, childhood, proper moral behavior and which things belonged in the private vs the public sphere.

/sarcasm off

I got no problem with people "tearing down" historical heroe, because it's ridiculous in the first place to need people to be (or appear) perfect in order to justify enjoying the fruits of their labor. Sadly, I suspect quite a lot of those wanting "tear down" Twain, won't understand that. They will think: "Twain doesn't conform to my ideal, nothing he said, thought or wrote, can therefore hold any value! *skreeeeeeeeeeee!*". The problem isn't Twain, then, you twat, it's your ridiculous ideals.

+1. Founding fathers get the same treatment, due to slave ownership. Jefferson was a hypocrite, no doubt. That doesn't diminish his accomplishments. We can't make perfect the enemy of good.

[C-Mag]

Hannarchy: rape apologist, hates women, supports Mark Twain.

What was that?

I missed it on account of I was setting up an Al Franken defense Go Fund Me.

[C-Mag]

I am absolutely shocked that people a century and more ago held different norms and values about sexuality, childhood, proper moral behavior and which things belonged in the private vs the public sphere.

/sarcasm off

I got no problem with people "tearing down" historical heroe, because it's ridiculous in the first place to need people to be (or appear) perfect in order to justify enjoying the fruits of their labor. Sadly, I suspect quite a lot of those wanting "tear down" Twain, won't understand that. They will think: "Twain doesn't conform to my ideal, nothing he said, thought or wrote, can therefore hold any value! *skreeeeeeeeeeee!*". The problem isn't Twain, then, you twat, it's your ridiculous ideals.

+1. Founding fathers get the same treatment, due to slave ownership. Jefferson was a hypocrite, no doubt. That doesn't diminish his accomplishments. We can't make perfect the enemy of good.

It is rather insane that so much energy would be devoted to slave owners and defenders 150 to 250 years ago, when there is current slavery all over the globe. Fucking crazy

[K@th]

It is rather insane that so much energy would be devoted to slave owners and defenders 150 to 250 years ago, when there is current slavery all over the globe. Fucking crazy

Yes, I was listening to a podcast recently (The West Wing Weekly,) where a former FBI agent said we had more human trafficking/human slavery than at any other point in human history. That's some crazy scary shit. He rescued children as young as one year old from an "orphanage" whose job it was to raise kids until they could be sold off. (At very young ages.)

It makes me puke that there are so many people willing to abuse their fellow humans.

[GloryofGreece]

It is rather insane that so much energy would be devoted to slave owners and defenders 150 to 250 years ago, when there is current slavery all over the globe. Fucking crazy

Yes, I was listening to a podcast recently (The West Wing Weekly,) where a former FBI agent said we had more human trafficking/human slavery than at any other point in human history. That's some crazy scary shit. He rescued children as young as one year old from an "orphanage" whose job it was to raise kids until they could be sold off. (At very young ages.)

It makes me puke that there are so many people willing to abuse their fellow humans.

Wouldn't that be because we have the largest population in World History right now? Its really about per capita slavery and quantifying what "slavery" actually is defined as. I doubt we have more slaves as a percentage of total population now than we did in Ancient or Medieval Times around the Slavic, Muslim and Tribal/Native etc. world.

It is shocking we still have forms of slavery today. But if that is mostly because most people in the "civilized" world think civilization and progress are actually real things. That are baser natures aren't still what they were thousands of years ago. We have veneer nothing more.

[Martin Hash]

"Slavery" has become a magical word, like "Nazi." I guarantee if you were dying in the wilderness, and somebody offered you position as a slave, you'd take it.