How bad can the new spying legislation be? Exhibit 1: it's called the USA Liberty Act

[de officiis]

Obama is the SOB who permitted this opening up of NSA data to domestic law enforcement--at the end of his presidency. Something I won't be forgiving him for anytime soon.

[SuburbanFarmer]

Obama is the SOB who permitted this opening up of NSA data to domestic law enforcement--at the end of his presidency. Something I won't be forgiving him for anytime soon.

PRISM was created under Bushie after 9/11. It was always going to turn into this.

[clubgop]

Obama is the SOB who permitted this opening up of NSA data to domestic law enforcement--at the end of his presidency. Something I won't be forgiving him for anytime soon.

PRISM was created under Bushie after 9/11. It was always going to turn into this.

Yes be the hack bitch we always knew you were.

[SuburbanFarmer]

Obama is the SOB who permitted this opening up of NSA data to domestic law enforcement--at the end of his presidency. Something I won't be forgiving him for anytime soon.

PRISM was created under Bushie after 9/11. It was always going to turn into this.

Yes be the hack bitch we always knew you were.

Uhhhh ok.

[Okeefenokee]

Obama is the SOB who permitted this opening up of NSA data to domestic law enforcement--at the end of his presidency. Something I won't be forgiving him for anytime soon.

PRISM was created under Bushie after 9/11. It was always going to turn into this.

UN Security Resolutions were created under Truman. It was always going to turn into this.

[Okeefenokee]

Alliances with Marxists were created under FDR, it was always going to come to this.

[SuburbanFarmer]

Keep reaching, you'll find something to distract from it...

To be fair, it's not a "republican thing", or even a "Bush thing", other than being a pitifully flaccid leader. In the grip of mass panic, government reacted, and the IC swept themselves into ultimate power. Now it's spreading. It will continue until it can't.

[Smitty-48]

No, Cali, that's not what the "F" in FISA refers to, doesn't mean "Foreign" as in they can only gather intel on foreigners, it's "Foreign" as in Foreign Intelligence gathering agencies, but there's no authorization required to gather intel on foreigners nor in foreign countries, the only reason FISA exists, is to target Americans with Foreign Intelligence gathering assets. FISA is the method by which they target Americans and only Americans, they don't need to go to the FISC for any other reason.

They only ever had to go to FISA for a targeted wiretap, they never had to go to FISA for metadata, metdata has always been available to them, it's the metadata, which tells them whether they should bother to go to FISA to get a wiretap in the first place, which, if the metadata lines up with a national security threat? As if the FISC would refuse them, I mean, ca'mon. If you look dirty on the metadata, the FISC will give them carte blanche, but guess what? That's nothing knew, same as it ever was.

What? What? Fourth Amendment? That only applies to evidence gathering, that doesn't apply to intelligence gathering, if they don't use the intel in court, Fourth Amendment doesn't apply, it's only the shit they actually are going to take to court that needs to pass that test, but doesn't apply to everything they collect, they can collect intel and never take it to court, and so what fourth amendment? Don't have to take it all in front of a judge, that ain't how it works, and never has been how it works.

The FBI is double hatted, they are both law enforcement and intelligence gathering, and when they put their intelligence gathering hat on, they don't have to take that intel to court, but that doesn't mean they can't act on it, and when they do, then they find the evidence and just take that to court, that's how it works, and that's how it's always worked, and in fact, the vast majority of Americans want it to work thay way, and fuck the lefties and lolbergs they say.

The only difference now, is that instead of having to sift through the metadata by hand, page after page of pen registers stacked up like phone books, the NSA suprcomputers crunch and cross reference the metadata for them, but so what? Nothing has changed vis a vis the Fourth Amendment.

The SCOTUS already ruled on this once, but you could go back to them, and guarunteed, they're not going to rule that sifting through pen registers with computers is a wiretap, no matter how much the tin foil hatters wail about it. They can't listen to the conversation without a warrant, but they can look at who you called without a warrant, same as it ever was.