A perspective on Hitler's motivations

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Xenophon wrote:
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Nukedog wrote:Oh look, it's another boomer lecturing on the evils of Nazism. This will never be tired and stale.

Honestly, I like Peterson. I just think it's silly that he has to go so far out of his way to disavow Nazis to keep from getting locked up in Canada for hate speech.
He's setting himself up to take you guys down. He's not your ally and never was. He doesn't distance himself from you for convenience. You are the big threat as far as he is concerned. This beef with Marxism is more like a vehicle to get the profile he needs to take on the alt-right.
So he's signaling hard so that he can stay employed. I don't blame him.

No. He's a true believer. That guy spent a significant part of his career figuring out how to stop fascism. I think he's using the SJWs to gain the notoriety he needs to accomplish his goals.

To be clear, I don't think he's gunning to hurt the people in the alt-right personally. I think he will try to destroy the alt-right as a viable ideology which, honestly, shouldn't be difficult given their version of the feminist patriarchy (the JQ), among other things.
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Smitty-48 wrote:Peterson is completely wrong on this, the primary motivation for liquidation during the war was exactly due to the drain on resources, they didn't have enough resources to supervise them as slave labour because those troops were needed at the front, and the Konzentrationslager themselves were a drain on men and material, and more over, the camps were becoming breeding grounds for disease, and that disease was spreading to the staff, and they feared it would spread to the army from there.

Hitler himself did not plan, direct, nor even order the operation, it was all devised at Wansee by Heydrich and Eichmann, Hitler deliberately put himself at arms length from the decision and left it all up to the SS.
What were the motivations to have millions of slaves in the first place (not just jews but all the various groups)? Is it really more efficient for production instead of using loyal countrymen instead? Are you arguing that Hitler and the Nazi state initially and well into the War did not want to eliminate different ethnic groups, they just wanted to enslave them indefinitely?
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Speaker to Animals wrote:
Xenophon wrote:
Speaker to Animals wrote:
He's setting himself up to take you guys down. He's not your ally and never was. He doesn't distance himself from you for convenience. You are the big threat as far as he is concerned. This beef with Marxism is more like a vehicle to get the profile he needs to take on the alt-right.
So he's signaling hard so that he can stay employed. I don't blame him.

No. He's a true believer. That guy spent a significant part of his career figuring out how to stop fascism. I think he's using the SJWs to gain the notoriety he needs to accomplish his goals.

To be clear, I don't think he's gunning to hurt the people in the alt-right personally. I think he will try to destroy the alt-right as a viable ideology which, honestly, shouldn't be difficult given their version of the feminist patriarchy (the JQ), among other things.
Because he thinks the "alt right and left" are faulty ideologies that lead to totalitarian systems, or why would you think he wants to nip it in the bud?
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GloryofGreece wrote:
Speaker to Animals wrote:
Xenophon wrote: So he's signaling hard so that he can stay employed. I don't blame him.

No. He's a true believer. That guy spent a significant part of his career figuring out how to stop fascism. I think he's using the SJWs to gain the notoriety he needs to accomplish his goals.

To be clear, I don't think he's gunning to hurt the people in the alt-right personally. I think he will try to destroy the alt-right as a viable ideology which, honestly, shouldn't be difficult given their version of the feminist patriarchy (the JQ), among other things.
Because he thinks the "alt right and left" are faulty ideologies that lead to totalitarian systems, or why would you think he wants to nip it in the bud?

His whole worldview opposes totalitarianism. But I doubt he worries as much about the Marxists as he does about the alt-right. I suspect, from his perspective, the dummies in the various Marxist movements are only good for paving the way for fascists to come to power which, historically, is how it happened in numerous places. So by confronting the Marxists he tries to avert the fascist consequences of their politics. Alt-right are the main target, though.
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Well, good thing for the alt-right there is no prevalent ideology to "take down." I mean he can try and take down the JQ but I don't see that happening as long as things continue the way they have been in recent years.
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The JQ is what will get you in the end.

You have to realize a lot of us are weary of that type of shit after dealing with feminism for so long. You just took the patriarchy conspiracy theory and replaced it with Jews.
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I don't think Peterson can do much on his own. His audience is at least sympathetic to the alt-right. The people who he needs to convince are the ones who have no use for analytical thinking.
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Speaker to Animals wrote:The JQ is what will get you in the end.

You have to realize a lot of us are weary of that type of shit after dealing with feminism for so long. You just took the patriarchy conspiracy theory and replaced it with Jews.
Right. Same same. I saw a mouse that was grey once. I think it's an elephant
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Nukedog wrote:
Speaker to Animals wrote:The JQ is what will get you in the end.

You have to realize a lot of us are weary of that type of shit after dealing with feminism for so long. You just took the patriarchy conspiracy theory and replaced it with Jews.
Right. Same same. I saw a mouse that was grey once. I think it's an elephant

Tell me how it differs aside from incidentals like the identity of the oppressor class, don't just claim they are different and walk away.
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Speaker to Animals wrote:
Nukedog wrote:
Speaker to Animals wrote:The JQ is what will get you in the end.

You have to realize a lot of us are weary of that type of shit after dealing with feminism for so long. You just took the patriarchy conspiracy theory and replaced it with Jews.
Right. Same same. I saw a mouse that was grey once. I think it's an elephant

Tell me how it differs aside from incidentals like the identity of the oppressor class, don't just claim they are different and walk away.
Well I wouldn't call them oppressors as for the most part we willingly accept that jews have a disproportionate amount of influence in government, finance, and the media. It's just a matter of seeing how antithetical they are to White Americans interest.

Now you could argue that the same as feminism I suppose but the difference would be, nobody cares about what feminists interest are. I mean dildo poz culture in the workforce or something? Nobody wants that. Perhaps you could argue viewing outgroups as hostile to your interests is the same thing wether it's a minority blaming whitey, a feminist blaming patriarchy, jews blaming white supreme burritos or whatever. The difference would be who's interests they seek to advance.