Sweden Capitulated

[Smitty-48]

First, tell me what you think honor actually means.

Standing for your principles, in the face of opposition.

No, honour is the fullfilment of obligations which you have undertaken, even where they conflict with your principles.

[SuburbanFarmer]

First, tell me what you think honor actually means.

Standing for your principles, in the face of opposition.

No, honour is the fullfilment of obligations which you have undertaken, even where they conflict with your principles.

What? That is the worst definition I've ever heard.

"Fulfill your obligations to thy mother and father, even when it conflicts with thy principles. "

[Smitty-48]

Standing for your principles, in the face of opposition.

No, honour is the fullfilment of obligations which you have undertaken, even where they conflict with your principles.

What? That is the worst definition I've ever heard.

"Fulfill your obligations to thy mother and father, even when it conflicts with thy principles. "

I said an obligation which you have undertaken, in addition to having no honour, apparently you can't read neither.

[SuburbanFarmer]

No, honour is the fullfilment of obligations which you have undertaken, even where they conflict with your principles.

What? That is the worst definition I've ever heard.

"Fulfill your obligations to thy mother and father, even when it conflicts with thy principles. "

I said an obligation which you have undertaken, in addition to having no honour, apparently you can't read neither.

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/honor

Definition of honor

1
a : good name or public esteem : reputationb : a showing of usually merited respect : recognition pay honor to our founder

2
: privilege had the honor of joining the captain for dinner

3
: a person of superior standing —now used especially as a title for a holder of high office if Your Honor please

4
: one whose worth brings respect or fame : credit an honor to the profession

5
: the center point of the upper half of an armorial escutcheon

6
: an evidence or symbol of distinction: such asa : an exalted title or rankb (1) : badge, decoration (2) : a ceremonial rite or observance buried with full military honorsc : an award in a contest or field of competitiond archaic : a gesture of deference : bowe honors plural (1) : an academic distinction conferred on a superior student (2) : a course of study for superior students supplementing or replacing a regular course

7
: chastity, purity
fought fiercely for her honor and her life — Barton Black

8
a : a keen sense of ethical conduct : integrity a man of honorb : one's word given as a guarantee of performance on my honor, I will be there

9
honors plural : social courtesies or civilities extended by a host asked her to do the honors

10
a (1) : an ace, king, queen, jack, or ten especially of the trump suit in bridge (2) : the scoring value of honors held in bridge —usually used in pluralb : the privilege of playing first from the tee in golf

Are you referring to "Honoring An Agreement"? It's a turn of phrase used by contract lawyers - not a separate meaning.

[Smitty-48]

Now of course, no man of honour would be surprised that Grumpy has no honour to the point of not even grasping the concept, I mean, who knew?

[Hastur]

I wonder in what category on that list GCF places the honorable ISIS warriors...

[Smitty-48]

ISIS would be probably a good example of the Grumpy doctrine, you gain the pledge of ISIS, but they regneg on their obligation, when you ask them why, they'll say it's because you're an infidel, so in their principles, they do not have to honour any obligations they have undertaken to you.

[SuburbanFarmer]

ISIS would be probably a good example of the Grumpy doctrine, you gain the pledge of ISIS, but they regneg on their obligation, when you ask them why, they'll say it's because you're an infidel, so in their principles, they do not have to honour any obligations they have undertaken to you.

So, if a kid makes the trip to the ME, and signs up as an ISIS fighter, ignorant of the reality, then discovers kids being fed into blenders and wants to quit, he would be 'dis-honourable' for leaving. The 'honourable' fighter would stand by his agreement, and help. That's your definition?

[Smitty-48]

ISIS would be probably a good example of the Grumpy doctrine, you gain the pledge of ISIS, but they regneg on their obligation, when you ask them why, they'll say it's because you're an infidel, so in their principles, they do not have to honour any obligations they have undertaken to you.

So, if a kid makes the trip to the ME, and signs up as an ISIS fighter, ignorant of the reality, then discovers kids being fed into blenders and wants to quit, he would be 'dis-honourable' for leaving. The 'honourable' fighter would stand by his agreement, and help. That's your definition?

Indeed, if they pledged their service, they are honour bound to fullfil it, unto death, and as such, if for example, we turned them as an asset against ISIS, they would be traitors to their cause, although, that's how espionage goes, and since we have pledged nothing to ISIS and in fact offer them no quarter, we are not dishonorable in our exploitation of the traitors in their midst.

[SuburbanFarmer]

ISIS would be probably a good example of the Grumpy doctrine, you gain the pledge of ISIS, but they regneg on their obligation, when you ask them why, they'll say it's because you're an infidel, so in their principles, they do not have to honour any obligations they have undertaken to you.

So, if a kid makes the trip to the ME, and signs up as an ISIS fighter, ignorant of the reality, then discovers kids being fed into blenders and wants to quit, he would be 'dis-honourable' for leaving. The 'honourable' fighter would stand by his agreement, and help. That's your definition?

Indeed, if they pledged their service, they are honour bound to fullfil it, unto death, and as such, if for example, we turned them as an asset against ISIS, they would be traitors to their cause, although, that's how espionage goes, and since we have pledged nothing to ISIS and in fact offer them no quarter, we are not dishonorable in our exploitation of the traitors in their midst.

So then, your answer to my original question is 'yes, ISIS fighters are honououourable'. Interesting.