Russia helps Ralph Nader get elected in 2016

[TheReal_ND]

https://radio.therightstuff.biz/2017/03 ... ylon-hill/

https://radio.therightstuff.biz/2017/03 ... ncia-info/

I should edit to add these aren't exactly quality history podcasts just discussions.

[clubgop]

The US simply wanted to destabilize Iran in 1953 because they were our main geopolitical rival... Oh, wait no, oil. Well, maybe it was why we destabilized Nicaragua? Maybe Chile? How many other countries? Oh yeah, and Saddam was our friend against Iran, at least until he was our enemy.

In the 1950's our propping of the Shaw was more a backing of UK's play. Nicaragua and Chile? Cold war. As for supporting Saddam, yes we were all too happy to help someone who puts a hurting on Iran, but we weren't friends. The whole time the UK was giving the Iranians weapons because we didn't want either side to run roughshod on the other.

[Hwen Hoshino]

The US simply wanted to destabilize Iran in 1953 because they were our main geopolitical rival... Oh, wait no, oil. Well, maybe it was why we destabilized Nicaragua? Maybe Chile? How many other countries? Oh yeah, and Saddam was our friend against Iran, at least until he was our enemy.

In the 1950's our propping of the Shaw was more a backing of UK's play. Nicaragua and Chile? Cold war. As for supporting Saddam, yes we were all too happy to help someone who puts a hurting on Iran, but we weren't friends. The whole time the UK was giving the Iranians weapons because we didn't want either side to run roughshod on the other.

You really think State Socialism is kickass idea that it would not had collapsed on it's own?

[clubgop]

The US simply wanted to destabilize Iran in 1953 because they were our main geopolitical rival... Oh, wait no, oil. Well, maybe it was why we destabilized Nicaragua? Maybe Chile? How many other countries? Oh yeah, and Saddam was our friend against Iran, at least until he was our enemy.

In the 1950's our propping of the Shaw was more a backing of UK's play. Nicaragua and Chile? Cold war. As for supporting Saddam, yes we were all too happy to help someone who puts a hurting on Iran, but we weren't friends. The whole time the UK was giving the Iranians weapons because we didn't want either side to run roughshod on the other.

You really think State Socialism is kickass idea that it would not had collapsed on it's own?

Wut?

[Hwen Hoshino]

In the 1950's our propping of the Shaw was more a backing of UK's play. Nicaragua and Chile? Cold war. As for supporting Saddam, yes we were all too happy to help someone who puts a hurting on Iran, but we weren't friends. The whole time the UK was giving the Iranians weapons because we didn't want either side to run roughshod on the other.

You really think State Socialism is kickass idea that it would not had collapsed on it's own?

Wut?

We are talking if there was a reason for the Cold War...

[ssu]

Are you assumimg the Russian conspiracy theory is true?

I hate to break it to you (really, I love to do it): it's total fabricated nonsense.

Ahh yes, StA living in his own fabricated delusional reality.

[ssu]

Are you upset? Do you think it's irrelevant since they did not buy voters and hacked machines?

The Russians have done this for a long, long time. Only now did they hit the jackpot.

Supporting Nader and others... quite pathetic, quite ordinary, harmless.

And just remember the famous picture of Flynn next to Putin. Notice the female Presidential candidate of a third party on the table too.

[BjornP]

So, the only thing Nader gets is the gift of "Russian influence"? Well... I'm gonna go out on a limb and say he loses, then.

Russia's influence during the US election was as "nefarious" as the influence they've had on the US public since they launched RT.com and Sputnik News and started outspending the US on propaganda. Not that they were the only ones.. Remember the rise in fake news during the election? That's a huge Romanian and Moldavian cottage industry. Russia simply wants to destabilize the US because they're the main geopolitical rival. They're not going to stop doing that because Trump got elected.

The US simply wanted to destabilize Iran in 1953 because they were our main geopolitical rival... Oh, wait no, oil. Well, maybe it was why we destabilized Nicaragua? Maybe Chile? How many other countries? Oh yeah, and Saddam was our friend against Iran, at least until he was our enemy. I'm sure the US never tried to destabilize Russia, ever, we don't do things like that, right?

All sides do it, and historically it's been happening since probably forever in terms of human civilization. We should probably drop the "holier than thou" attitude that the US is "so much better and more righteous".

"We"? I'm not American, and feel neither a need to believe that all good things in life shines out of Washington's asshole or that you're the center of the world, but similarly I don't buy the "America is at the heart of all that goes wrong in the world" BS.

"All sides" have spied on, sabotaged or made war on each other at some point, yup, that's true. Not sure why that matters or what you are trting to argue that I didn't already say in the post you are replying to..?

I honestly do not understand Whataboutism argument or why people make them. Russia spied on US -> "Yeah, we're just as bad! No, actually we are worse!"....

Uhmmm....oooooh-kay, is that an argument for or against more national security vigilance? If you want to convince yourselves that all of you straight, white male Americans are all behaving uniquely or maybe rather exceptionally bad toward everyone else compared to how countries like Russia, China, etc. treat or treated their neighbours and allies....well, self-flagellation IS the new normal in the states. You go ahead.

[Hwen Hoshino]

Are you upset? Do you think it's irrelevant since they did not buy voters and hacked machines?

The Russians have done this for a long, long time. Only now did they hit the jackpot.

Supporting Nader and others... quite pathetic, quite ordinary, harmless.

And just remember the famous picture of Flynn next to Putin. Notice the female Presidential candidate of a third party on the table too.

The seeds that RT planted will bear fruit. It's not a bad thing.

So, the only thing Nader gets is the gift of "Russian influence"? Well... I'm gonna go out on a limb and say he loses, then.

Russia's influence during the US election was as "nefarious" as the influence they've had on the US public since they launched RT.com and Sputnik News and started outspending the US on propaganda. Not that they were the only ones.. Remember the rise in fake news during the election? That's a huge Romanian and Moldavian cottage industry. Russia simply wants to destabilize the US because they're the main geopolitical rival. They're not going to stop doing that because Trump got elected.

The US simply wanted to destabilize Iran in 1953 because they were our main geopolitical rival... Oh, wait no, oil. Well, maybe it was why we destabilized Nicaragua? Maybe Chile? How many other countries? Oh yeah, and Saddam was our friend against Iran, at least until he was our enemy. I'm sure the US never tried to destabilize Russia, ever, we don't do things like that, right?

All sides do it, and historically it's been happening since probably forever in terms of human civilization. We should probably drop the "holier than thou" attitude that the US is "so much better and more righteous".

"We"? I'm not American, and feel neither a need to believe that all good things in life shines out of Washington's asshole or that you're the center of the world, but similarly I don't buy the "America is at the heart of all that goes wrong in the world" BS.

"All sides" have spied on, sabotaged or made war on each other at some point, yup, that's true. Not sure why that matters or what you are trting to argue that I didn't already say in the post you are replying to..?

I honestly do not understand Whataboutism argument or why people make them. Russia spied on US -> "Yeah, we're just as bad! No, actually we are worse!"....

Uhmmm....oooooh-kay, is that an argument for or against more national security vigilance? If you want to convince yourselves that all of you straight, white male Americans are all behaving uniquely or maybe rather exceptionally bad toward everyone else compared to how countries like Russia, China, etc. treat or treated their neighbours and allies....well, self-flagellation IS the new normal in the states. You go ahead.

Unlike many other countries the US can chill. No one dares to invade it.

[Ex-California]

Unless Russia changed vote totals there is no more "tampering" than there is tampering by PACs, donors, and corporate donors.

People still have free will when they go into the voting booth. This whole Russia thing is just a mental breakdown by most of the world to place blame for Trump's election.