Meanwhile in Ukraine

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Re: Meanwhile in Ukraine

Post by Smitty-48 » Sun Mar 13, 2022 12:12 pm

Speaker to Animals wrote:
Sun Mar 13, 2022 12:08 pm
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Cold War Two now fully engaged

Russia back to 1991 levels of privation en route to another Soviet style collapse

in the meantime, Globalism is dead, Russia's one contribution to the world as they go down in flames
I was just reading how they were recruiting Syrian terror groups to help run their counterinsurgency operations. They would do this to their own people. I don't want to know what they would do to Catholics in Poland if they would do this to their own Russian Orthodox cousins.

This shit is not acceptable.
thankfully the Syrians are poorly trained cannon fodder being paid $400 to go to their slaughter

the more dangerous elements would be Kadyrov's Chechen death squads

and the Russian mercenaries of the Wagner Group
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Re: Meanwhile in Ukraine

Post by Martin Hash » Sun Mar 13, 2022 12:21 pm

Will the peace talks tomorrow end this?
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Re: Meanwhile in Ukraine

Post by Smitty-48 » Sun Mar 13, 2022 12:23 pm

Martin Hash wrote:
Sun Mar 13, 2022 12:21 pm
Will the peace talks tomorrow end this?
I don't think the Russians are ready to talk peace yet

this is a such disaster so far, Putin can't quit at this point
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Re: Meanwhile in Ukraine

Post by C-Mag » Sun Mar 13, 2022 12:32 pm

It has been a disaster. Horribly ran, poorly planned from top to bottom.
Pretty much a Russian Operation.

That send, Russia is on to blunder their way to victory.
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Re: Meanwhile in Ukraine

Post by Smitty-48 » Sun Mar 13, 2022 12:37 pm

Russia has captured exactly one city so far, Kherson in the south

I see no signs that Russia is actually on a path to victory even at the operational level

Russia still appears to be bogged down exactly where they have been for the last three weeks
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Post by Smitty-48 » Sun Mar 13, 2022 12:42 pm

as of right now, this is very plausibly already a stalemate

in that the Russians are basically stuck where they are right now

and they will remain largely stuck there indefinitely

they will launch offensives, those will fail

the Ukrainians will launch counteroffensives, those will fail too

and it will coalesce into a grinding World War One style stalemate roughly where the lines are now
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Re: Meanwhile in Ukraine

Post by C-Mag » Sun Mar 13, 2022 12:45 pm

We'll see.
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Re: Meanwhile in Ukraine

Post by Smitty-48 » Sun Mar 13, 2022 12:47 pm

in terms of the exact mechanism of the Russian operational failure here

it is exactly the same as the Soviets in the Winter War with Finland

instead of just taking one axis straight to the capital of Helsinki

Stalin wanted to emulate Hitler's invasion of Poland

so Stalin insisted that the Soviet Army launch a five pronged attack like the Germans did in Poland

the result was that the Soviet's lacked the logistics to support the five different axes of advance

and as such the Soviets ground to a halt in a Finnish hornet's nest

the Russians have made the exact same mistake here

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Re: Meanwhile in Ukraine

Post by Speaker to Animals » Sun Mar 13, 2022 1:03 pm

Where exactly did he deploy his best units if most of those people up north are conscripts?

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Re: Meanwhile in Ukraine

Post by Smitty-48 » Sun Mar 13, 2022 1:18 pm

Speaker to Animals wrote:
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Where exactly did he deploy his best units if most of those people up north are conscripts?
the Ground Troops of the Russian Federation comprise roughly 50% conscripts, that's how they fight

the elite troops are the Vozdushno-Desantye Voyska : VDV Airborne Troops

the VDV unit deployed is the 7th Guards Airborne Assault Mountain Division

from Novorossiysk in Southern Military District

they appear to be in and around Kherson, they comprise the occupation force there

incidentally the only place the Russians have actually captured so far
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