Meanwhile in Ukraine

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Re: Meanwhile in Ukraine

Post by The Conservative » Sat Mar 12, 2022 4:53 pm

C-Mag wrote:
Sat Mar 12, 2022 4:06 pm
What a kick in the nuts.

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What did I say before remember?

NATO and the EU are the same things, feckless twats that won't stand up to Russia.
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Re: Meanwhile in Ukraine

Post by Martin Hash » Sat Mar 12, 2022 4:54 pm

Poland won’t except EU court decisions over their own courts. It’s been brewing for a year.
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Re: Meanwhile in Ukraine

Post by C-Mag » Sat Mar 12, 2022 5:08 pm

Francis Fukuyama at American Purpose is making Predictions
https://www.americanpurpose.com/article ... or-defeat/
Russia is heading for an outright defeat in Ukraine. Russian planning was incompetent, based on a flawed assumption that Ukrainians were favorable to Russia and that their military would collapse immediately following an invasion. Russian soldiers were evidently carrying dress uniforms for their victory parade in Kyiv rather than extra ammo and rations. Putin at this point has committed the bulk of his entire military to this operation—there are no vast reserves of forces he can call up to add to the battle. Russian troops are stuck outside various Ukrainian cities where they face huge supply problems and constant Ukrainian attacks.
The collapse of their position could be sudden and catastrophic, rather than happening slowly through a war of attrition. The army in the field will reach a point where it can neither be supplied nor withdrawn, and morale will vaporize. This is at least true in the north; the Russians are doing better in the south, but those positions would be hard to maintain if the north collapses.
There is no diplomatic solution to the war possible prior to this happening. There is no conceivable compromise that would be acceptable to both Russia and Ukraine given the losses they have taken at this point.
The United Nations Security Council has proven once again to be useless. The only helpful thing was the General Assembly vote, which helps to identify the world’s bad or prevaricating actors.
The Biden administration’s decisions not to declare a no-fly zone or help transfer Polish MiGs were both good ones; they've kept their heads during a very emotional time. It is much better to have the Ukrainians defeat the Russians on their own, depriving Moscow of the excuse that NATO attacked them, as well as avoiding all the obvious escalatory possibilities. The Polish MiGs in particular would not add much to Ukrainian capabilities. Much more important is a continuing supply of Javelins, Stingers, TB2s, medical supplies, comms equipment, and intel sharing. I assume that Ukrainian forces are already being vectored by NATO intelligence operating from outside Ukraine.
The cost that Ukraine is paying is enormous, of course. But the greatest damage is being done by rockets and artillery, which neither MiGs nor a no-fly zone can do much about. The only thing that will stop the slaughter is defeat of the Russian army on the ground.
Putin will not survive the defeat of his army. He gets support because he is perceived to be a strongman; what does he have to offer once he demonstrates incompetence and is stripped of his coercive power?
The invasion has already done huge damage to populists all over the world, who prior to the attack uniformly expressed sympathy for Putin. That includes Matteo Salvini, Jair Bolsonaro, Éric Zemmour, Marine Le Pen, Viktor Orbán, and of course Donald Trump. The politics of the war has exposed their openly authoritarian leanings.
The war to this point has been a good lesson for China. Like Russia, China has built up seemingly high-tech military forces in the past decade, but they have no combat experience. The miserable performance of the Russian air force would likely be replicated by the People’s Liberation Army Air Force, which similarly has no experience managing complex air operations. We may hope that the Chinese leadership will not delude itself as to its own capabilities the way the Russians did when contemplating a future move against Taiwan.
Hopefully Taiwan itself will wake up as to the need to prepare to fight as the Ukrainians have done, and restore conscription. Let’s not be prematurely defeatist.
Turkish drones will become bestsellers.
A Russian defeat will make possible a “new birth of freedom,” and get us out of our funk about the declining state of global democracy. The spirit of 1989 will live on, thanks to a bunch of brave Ukrainians.
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Re: Meanwhile in Ukraine

Post by Zlaxer » Sat Mar 12, 2022 5:12 pm

C-Mag wrote:
Sat Mar 12, 2022 5:08 pm
Francis Fukuyama at American Purpose is making Predictions
https://www.americanpurpose.com/article ... or-defeat/
Russia is heading for an outright defeat in Ukraine. Russian planning was incompetent, based on a flawed assumption that Ukrainians were favorable to Russia and that their military would collapse immediately following an invasion. Russian soldiers were evidently carrying dress uniforms for their victory parade in Kyiv rather than extra ammo and rations. Putin at this point has committed the bulk of his entire military to this operation—there are no vast reserves of forces he can call up to add to the battle. Russian troops are stuck outside various Ukrainian cities where they face huge supply problems and constant Ukrainian attacks.
The collapse of their position could be sudden and catastrophic, rather than happening slowly through a war of attrition. The army in the field will reach a point where it can neither be supplied nor withdrawn, and morale will vaporize. This is at least true in the north; the Russians are doing better in the south, but those positions would be hard to maintain if the north collapses.
There is no diplomatic solution to the war possible prior to this happening. There is no conceivable compromise that would be acceptable to both Russia and Ukraine given the losses they have taken at this point.
The United Nations Security Council has proven once again to be useless. The only helpful thing was the General Assembly vote, which helps to identify the world’s bad or prevaricating actors.
The Biden administration’s decisions not to declare a no-fly zone or help transfer Polish MiGs were both good ones; they've kept their heads during a very emotional time. It is much better to have the Ukrainians defeat the Russians on their own, depriving Moscow of the excuse that NATO attacked them, as well as avoiding all the obvious escalatory possibilities. The Polish MiGs in particular would not add much to Ukrainian capabilities. Much more important is a continuing supply of Javelins, Stingers, TB2s, medical supplies, comms equipment, and intel sharing. I assume that Ukrainian forces are already being vectored by NATO intelligence operating from outside Ukraine.
The cost that Ukraine is paying is enormous, of course. But the greatest damage is being done by rockets and artillery, which neither MiGs nor a no-fly zone can do much about. The only thing that will stop the slaughter is defeat of the Russian army on the ground.
Putin will not survive the defeat of his army. He gets support because he is perceived to be a strongman; what does he have to offer once he demonstrates incompetence and is stripped of his coercive power?
The invasion has already done huge damage to populists all over the world, who prior to the attack uniformly expressed sympathy for Putin. That includes Matteo Salvini, Jair Bolsonaro, Éric Zemmour, Marine Le Pen, Viktor Orbán, and of course Donald Trump. The politics of the war has exposed their openly authoritarian leanings.
The war to this point has been a good lesson for China. Like Russia, China has built up seemingly high-tech military forces in the past decade, but they have no combat experience. The miserable performance of the Russian air force would likely be replicated by the People’s Liberation Army Air Force, which similarly has no experience managing complex air operations. We may hope that the Chinese leadership will not delude itself as to its own capabilities the way the Russians did when contemplating a future move against Taiwan.
Hopefully Taiwan itself will wake up as to the need to prepare to fight as the Ukrainians have done, and restore conscription. Let’s not be prematurely defeatist.
Turkish drones will become bestsellers.
A Russian defeat will make possible a “new birth of freedom,” and get us out of our funk about the declining state of global democracy. The spirit of 1989 will live on, thanks to a bunch of brave Ukrainians.

Putin may try to gull NATO into open conflict so he has excuse.

All I know if I’ll feel better once this thing is over and no Nukes have gone off…

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Re: Meanwhile in Ukraine

Post by Martin Hash » Sat Mar 12, 2022 5:17 pm

Notice how he ties all Populists movements to this.
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Re: Meanwhile in Ukraine

Post by Zlaxer » Sat Mar 12, 2022 5:18 pm

Maybe Putin will second guess his Nuke capabilities in view of how his conventional forces have performed. Would he really want to end Russia?
Does he have family?

Talking tough and actually pushing the button are different things…I’m just pissed the elites have made the decision on Putin’s resolve without us….they may be blindly overconfident…

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Re: Meanwhile in Ukraine

Post by Zlaxer » Sat Mar 12, 2022 5:18 pm

Martin Hash wrote:
Sat Mar 12, 2022 5:17 pm
Notice how he ties all Populists movements to this.
Where you going with this?

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Re: Meanwhile in Ukraine

Post by Martin Hash » Sat Mar 12, 2022 5:20 pm

Zlaxer wrote:
Sat Mar 12, 2022 5:18 pm
Martin Hash wrote:
Sat Mar 12, 2022 5:17 pm
Notice how he ties all Populists movements to this.
Where you going with this?
In the bottom paragraph of Fukuyama's rant, he bundles in all the non-Globalists.
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Re: Meanwhile in Ukraine

Post by C-Mag » Sat Mar 12, 2022 5:38 pm

Martin Hash wrote:
Sat Mar 12, 2022 5:20 pm
Zlaxer wrote:
Sat Mar 12, 2022 5:18 pm
Martin Hash wrote:
Sat Mar 12, 2022 5:17 pm
Notice how he ties all Populists movements to this.
Where you going with this?
In the bottom paragraph of Fukuyama's rant, he bundles in all the non-Globalists.
Soros just penned a piece stating the Putin and Xi had to be removed. This thing is far from over.
Globalists are going to war against Russia and China.
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Re: Meanwhile in Ukraine

Post by Martin Hash » Sat Mar 12, 2022 5:47 pm

Yes they are: and they can't even get drafted.
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