Meanwhile in Ukraine

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Re: Meanwhile in Ukraine

Post by C-Mag » Wed Mar 09, 2022 9:59 pm

Oh I do believe the deep state is balls deep in dirty shit with Ukraine and the Zelensky puppet government.

However, Putin is no angel or savior, he's a a classic, brutal Russian dictator. If I was married to Putin I would never post anything negative about him. Just yesterday I noted he has reportedly arrested 13000 of his own people, which puts him slightly ahead of Justin Trudeau, who I also spoke out against.

I'd venture to say I've had far more balanced posting on this conflict than many here. And I'm quite comfortable with my positions.
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Re: Meanwhile in Ukraine

Post by C-Mag » Wed Mar 09, 2022 10:01 pm

Smitty-48 wrote:
Wed Mar 09, 2022 9:56 pm
I still think the Democrats will go down in November,
I sure as Fuck hope so.

But the Democrats are just better at the election game. It's Total War for them, they don't care about rules just winning. They have been jerrymandering like fucking crazy.

And worst of all the GOP senior leadership doesn't want to win. McConnel wants to be at about 50-50 where he can sell votes.
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Re: Meanwhile in Ukraine

Post by Smitty-48 » Wed Mar 09, 2022 10:03 pm

C-Mag wrote:
Wed Mar 09, 2022 10:01 pm
Smitty-48 wrote:
Wed Mar 09, 2022 9:56 pm
I still think the Democrats will go down in November,
I sure as Fuck hope so.
well, maybe the right could screw this up before then

maybe the right won't pivot away from Detente With Putin in time, and the Democrat's plan will work
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Re: Meanwhile in Ukraine

Post by Smitty-48 » Wed Mar 09, 2022 10:11 pm

I do think Trump is finished now tho

this is the end of Trumpism

because Trump is the figurehead for the policy of Detente With Putin

and now Putin has started Cold War Two bordering on World War Three

this is a tectonic shift which will bring Trump down too

that's doesn't mean the Republicans will not pivot tho

I would expect the GOP to go into full on Cold Warrior mode now

the GOP will out Hawk the Democrats, they will attack the Democrats now for being "Soft on Russia !"

it's baked into the cake now
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Re: Meanwhile in Ukraine

Post by Smitty-48 » Wed Mar 09, 2022 10:15 pm

certainly the Administrative State, or Deep State

or more accurately coined by Andrew Bacevich as the Washington National Security Consensus

they were trying to gin the New Cold War up, as you would expect

but the reality is, Putin has handed it to them on a platter at this point
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Re: Meanwhile in Ukraine

Post by SuburbanFarmer » Wed Mar 09, 2022 10:15 pm

Smitty-48 wrote:
Wed Mar 09, 2022 7:59 pm
SuburbanFarmer wrote:
Wed Mar 09, 2022 7:58 pm
It’s beginning to look incompetent enough to be intentional…
how so ?

what's the angle ?
I don’t know…. Putin has moved on 2 other neighbors with no problems. And is down with the WEF. For him to go rogue like this, without a clear plan, and fail so hard…. And then threaten nuclear war several times in a week?

This feels like part of The Plan.
Maybe like you mentioned, just to force the neocons into a no-win.
Maybe his real goal was to break the dollar hegemony. Maybe to distract from The Plague for their next move.

It sounds ridiculous, but this looks orchestrated to fail intentionally.
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Re: Meanwhile in Ukraine

Post by Smitty-48 » Wed Mar 09, 2022 10:16 pm

SuburbanFarmer wrote:
Wed Mar 09, 2022 10:15 pm
Smitty-48 wrote:
Wed Mar 09, 2022 7:59 pm
SuburbanFarmer wrote:
Wed Mar 09, 2022 7:58 pm
It’s beginning to look incompetent enough to be intentional…
how so ?

what's the angle ?
I don’t know…. Putin has moved on 2 other neighbors with no problems.
tiny ones tho

Ukraine is fucking huge

hence why every General in the world is scratching their heads right now

trying to figure out how Putin and his cronies ever thought they could pull this off with so few troops
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Re: Meanwhile in Ukraine

Post by Smitty-48 » Wed Mar 09, 2022 10:18 pm

like Ukraine has a 200,000 man army

you need three to one minumum to attack that, 600,000

and then Ukraine is full of cities

which requires even more troops, way more

so how could Putin & Co think that 200,000 troops was enough to pull this off ?

it's a million man army mission, at minimum

hence why the Russians are dead in the water here,

going nowhere, by simply lacking boots on the ground,

not by a little bit, by a huge margin, like 800,000 troops short
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Re: Meanwhile in Ukraine

Post by Smitty-48 » Wed Mar 09, 2022 10:27 pm

bear in mind : the Russians are outnumbered here now

Ukraine is fully mobilized for war

they probably have a million men under arms now

how does a 200,000 man Russian force defeat a force five times its size ?

with heavy weapons ?

that doesn't help you fight in cities, bombarding cities makes them exponentially harder to take

once you wreck the city, that makes it a rabbit warren like Stalingrad for the defenders

so I can't see how the Russians are going to take Kyiv now, they don't have the combat power
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Re: Meanwhile in Ukraine

Post by Smitty-48 » Wed Mar 09, 2022 10:33 pm

to secure a big city like Kyiv ?

if the opponent is resolved to defend it to the last man ?

you need ten to one advantage at least, to secure such a vast and exponentially complex objective

so if there are just 30,000 Ukrainians defending Kyiv ?

you need 300,000 Russian troops to secure it

if 50,000 Ukrainians are defending it

you need 500,000 Russian troops

this is why in the Gulf War, even with 500,000 troops, Colin Powell was not going to Baghdad

like 13,500 Marines to take Fallujah

Kyiv is 15 times the size of Fallujah

so to take Kyiv, just against poorly armed & trained goat herders ?

you would need 200,000+ Marines, which is more than the entire Marine Corps

it seems to be apparent now

that the Russians are just stuck

stuck right where they are

can't go forward much further, can't go back in the face of the now advancing Ukrainians

not enough troops to take the objective

but can't get Putin to call this disaster off

so they are just sitting in place idling, like sitting ducks

paralyzed by the sheer size and complexity of the task
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