Meanwhile in Ukraine

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Re: Meanwhile in Ukraine

Post by SilverEagle » Wed Mar 09, 2022 8:30 pm

Smitty-48 wrote:
Wed Mar 09, 2022 7:05 pm
Xi Jinping has released a statement on the war in Ukraine

"China calls for maximum restraint in Ukraine"

"China is pained to see the flames of war reignited in Europe"


doesn't sound like an endorsement

China is getting nervous, looking for the exits
I don’t think they are getting nervous. Why would they be?
There is a time for good men to do bad things.

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Re: Meanwhile in Ukraine

Post by Smitty-48 » Wed Mar 09, 2022 8:37 pm

SilverEagle wrote:
Wed Mar 09, 2022 8:30 pm
Smitty-48 wrote:
Wed Mar 09, 2022 7:05 pm
Xi Jinping has released a statement on the war in Ukraine

"China calls for maximum restraint in Ukraine"

"China is pained to see the flames of war reignited in Europe"


doesn't sound like an endorsement

China is getting nervous, looking for the exits
I don’t think they are getting nervous. Why would they be?
because this is an international disaster of such great proportions for Russia

that it is dragging the senior partner China down now,

causing them all sorts of trouble in the Pacific even

so China has started moving slowly towards the exits,

preparing to throw Putin under the bus as necessary

they are already backtracking from their earlier aggressive posture side by side with Putin

to now trying to play the "peacemakers" as if China was just an innocent bystander all along

that's a shift which indicates serious apprehension as to how this is playing out

this is starting to look more like a trap that Putin has been led into, which has now sprung on him
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Re: Meanwhile in Ukraine

Post by C-Mag » Wed Mar 09, 2022 8:38 pm

Mercenaries in Iraq Bad
Kyle Rittenhouse Bad
Mercenaries fighting for Russia Bad

Mercenaries fighting for Ukraine Good

I really hate being in a world where global corporate media gets to determine morality and what's legal for the globe.

Things are only getting more complicated thanks to the growing participation of private military contractors and nebulous mercenaries in the Ukrainian fight. Participating in foreign conflicts is banned in many countries, including the U.S., and the use of paid mercenaries is prohibited under a 2001 United Nations convention.

But if you want to join, there are websites recruiting
https://uacrisis.org/en/international-l ... aNycGzNCL0

https://www.president.gov.ua/en/news/za ... ukra-73361

The legionnaire will receive instructions on how to travel to Ukraine, the necessary documents and equipment. It is recommended, if available, to bring a military kit, such as clothing or its items, equipment, helmet, body armor, etc.
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Re: Meanwhile in Ukraine

Post by Smitty-48 » Wed Mar 09, 2022 8:41 pm

C-Mag wrote:
Wed Mar 09, 2022 8:38 pm
Mercenaries in Iraq Bad
Kyle Rittenhouse Bad
Mercenaries fighting for Russia Bad

Mercenaries fighting for Ukraine Good

I really hate being in a world where global corporate media gets to determine morality for the globe.

Things are only getting more complicated thanks to the growing participation of private military contractors and nebulous mercenaries in the Ukrainian fight. Participating in foreign conflicts is banned in many countries, including the U.S., and the use of paid mercenaries is prohibited under a 2001 United Nations convention.

But if you want to join, there are websites recruiting
https://uacrisis.org/en/international-l ... aNycGzNCL0

https://www.president.gov.ua/en/news/za ... ukra-73361

The legionnaire will receive instructions on how to travel to Ukraine, the necessary documents and equipment. It is recommended, if available, to bring a military kit, such as clothing or its items, equipment, helmet, body armor, etc.
I would like to join,

but realistically I am too old now

old before my time, worn out from too many years carrying 120lbs around everywhere

they need professional soldiers in their prime

for me to wander into this battlespace, that would be like war tourism, I wouldn't be an asset to them
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Re: Meanwhile in Ukraine

Post by C-Mag » Wed Mar 09, 2022 8:46 pm

I'm neutral, if someone wants to go fight in Ukraine........ cool


It's amazing how quickly Mercenaries are OK, but not for Russia.
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Re: Meanwhile in Ukraine

Post by Smitty-48 » Wed Mar 09, 2022 8:49 pm

bear in mind how the operational picture has rapidly shifted

this is no longer a case of Ukrainian territorial defense forces desperately hanging on for dear life

this is becoming a high tech professional mercenary reinforced Ukrainian killing machine

and they have started to hunt the Russians now, the hunters are becoming the hunted
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Re: Meanwhile in Ukraine

Post by Smitty-48 » Wed Mar 09, 2022 8:50 pm

C-Mag wrote:
Wed Mar 09, 2022 8:46 pm
I'm neutral, if someone wants to go fight in Ukraine........ cool


It's amazing how quickly Mercenaries are OK, but not for Russia.
this is total war now

why do you think there are rules to this ?

nobody can stop Russia from doing anything

so nobody gives a fuck about Russia's whining

Russia is public enemy number one, about to getting beaten here, badly
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Re: Meanwhile in Ukraine

Post by Smitty-48 » Wed Mar 09, 2022 8:54 pm

SuburbanFarmer wrote:
Wed Mar 09, 2022 7:58 pm
It’s beginning to look incompetent enough to be intentional…
on this

one "intentional" scenario

could be that Putin has many traitors in his midst

working for the CIA & MI6

who have essentially orchestrated this fiasco from within

to lead Putin into a trap

wherein his obsolete overrated military

ends up being lambs to the slaughter in an Ukrainian killing field

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Re: Meanwhile in Ukraine

Post by C-Mag » Wed Mar 09, 2022 9:01 pm

Smitty-48 wrote:
Wed Mar 09, 2022 8:50 pm
C-Mag wrote:
Wed Mar 09, 2022 8:46 pm
I'm neutral, if someone wants to go fight in Ukraine........ cool


It's amazing how quickly Mercenaries are OK, but not for Russia.
this is total war now

why do you think there are rules to this ?
The United Nations Mercenary Convention, officially the International Convention against the Recruitment, Use, Financing and Training of Mercenaries, is a 2001 United Nations treaty that prohibits the recruitment, training, use, and financing of mercenaries. At the 72nd plenary meeting on 4 December 1989, the United Nations General Assembly concluded the convention as its resolution 44/34. The convention entered into force on 20 October 2001

Article 1 of the Convention has the following definition of a mercenary:

A mercenary is any person who:
(a) Is specially recruited locally or abroad in order to fight in an armed conflict;
(b) Is motivated to take part in the hostilities essentially by the desire for private gain and, in fact, is promised, by or on behalf of a party to the conflict, material compensation substantially in excess of that promised or paid to combatants of similar rank and functions in the armed forces of that party;
(c) Is neither a national of a party to the conflict nor a resident of territory controlled by a party to the conflict;
(d) Is not a member of the armed forces of a party to the conflict; and
(e) Has not been sent by a State which is not a party to the conflict on official duty as a member of its armed forces.
A mercenary is also any person who, in any other situation:
(a) Is specially recruited locally or abroad for the purpose of participating in a concerted act of violence aimed at:
(i) Overthrowing a Government or otherwise undermining the constitutional order of a State; or
(ii) Undermining the territorial integrity of a State;
(b) Is motivated to take part therein essentially by the desire for significant private gain and is prompted by the promise or payment of material compensation;
(c) Is neither a national nor a resident of the State against which such an act is directed;
(d) Has not been sent by a State on official duty; and
(e) Is not a member of the armed forces of the State on whose territory the act is undertaken.
Oddly enough the Ukraine is a signatory to the treaty but Russia is not.

Zelensky's official presidential website is recruiting mercenaries.

Zelensky is now a War Criminal by UN treaty.
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Re: Meanwhile in Ukraine

Post by C-Mag » Wed Mar 09, 2022 9:03 pm

I don't care if it's Total War. That's been my point through all this.
I hate to see this war, but if they want to kill each other I'm not going to cheerlead for anyone.
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