So Trump ordered General Soleimani Assassinated, and now people are crying for WWIII....

[Montegriffo]

You wanting to pretend Iran would have been totally peaceful if not for Trump assassinating Soleimani, doesn't make that reality, that's a dream world you want to inhabit where every foreign policy problem is the fault of America and/or Trump.

That is yet another strawman.
At no point have I said Iran would act peacefully if Soleimani wasn't assassinated.
My concerns have been about the escalation of an already tense relationship, threats to commit war crimes, a total lack of strategic awareness and Trump's blatant electioneering at the expense of coalition lives.

[StCapps]

You wanting to pretend Iran would have been totally peaceful if not for Trump assassinating Soleimani, doesn't make that reality, that's a dream world you want to inhabit where every foreign policy problem is the fault of America and/or Trump.

That is yet another strawman.
At no point have I said Iran would act peacefully if Soleimani wasn't assassinated.
My concerns have been about the escalation of an already tense relationship, threats to commit war crimes, a total lack of strategic awareness and Trump's blatant electioneering at the expense of coalition lives.

Not escalating things will cost more lives. Peace through strength, not peace through meekness. Letting your enemies take unanswered shots at you just encourages more reckless behavior on their part, and puts more lives at risk than standing up to their bullshit.

Trump has plenty of strategic awareness, you are the one who lacks strategic awareness and confuses showing weakness for saving lives. Your concerns are concern trolling, and the only one fooled by your little act is yourself.

[BjornP]

The US, just like Iran and Netanyahu (though probably not a country like SA) is best off being in a simmering conflict situation, where your allies can be brought into a simmering conflict situation as well. Fear is good for business - when it's the people that's afraid. Good for politics when it lets the people forget you're corrupt, so they'll instead vote for a "strong man" who can tell them which rights they don't need... for their country, of course.

[Montegriffo]

Not escalating things will cost more lives.

Do you think that was true in Vietnam?
Do you think that was true in Iraq?
Do you think that was true in Afghanistan?
Do you think Iran will be different?
Do you think at all?

[StCapps]

Not escalating things will cost more lives.

Do you think that was true in Vietnam?
Do you think that was true in Iraq?
Do you think that was true in Afghanistan?
Do you think Iran will be different?
Do you think at all?

There is no war in Iran. You assuming that Trump's actions will lead to war are just silly. You're an appeasement monkey, you're the one who doesn't think. Iran is not Vietnam, Iraq or Afghanistan, and appeasing Iran is not going to save any lives.

You're a silly concern troll, pretending to have a moral high ground that you don't actually have. You're just being a sanctimonious twat, the only one you are fooling is yourself.

[Ph64]

" … I was not making fun of you personally; I was heaping scorn on an inexcusably silly idea — a practice I shall always follow. Anyone who clings to the historically untrue and thoroughly immoral doctrine that violence never settles anything I would advise to conjure up the ghosts of Napoleon Bonaparte and the Duke of Wellington and let them debate it. The ghost of Hitler could referee and the jury might well be the Dodo, the Great Auk, and the Passenger Pigeon. Violence, naked force, has settled more issues in history than has any other factor, and the contrary opinion is wishful thinking at its worst. Breeds that forget this basic truth have always paid for it with their lives and their freedoms."
Lt. Col. Jean V. Dubois (Ret.) - "Starship Troopers"

[clubgop]

Well, the Iranians wanted to do lots of killings in retaliation, targets like Kerry would be the least one among them. They should kill people like Clinton, Buttigieg, Ocasio-Cortez, as well as even softer civilian on the US left - those most infuriating to or seen as most treacherous by member of the US right, like comedians, talk show hosts, media figures etc. Want American public support, pick a side in the culture war. And when all those people start dying, don't take responsibility, but have Khamenei release lots and lots of memes that only hint at them being responsible.

Alright you had your fun now be real here. You were just arguing months ago that the Iranian terror network is nothing in comparison to the Wahhabist one. You know they don't have the capability or the sophistication to pull that off even if Soleimani was still around.

[BjornP]

Well, the Iranians wanted to do lots of killings in retaliation, targets like Kerry would be the least one among them. They should kill people like Clinton, Buttigieg, Ocasio-Cortez, as well as even softer civilian on the US left - those most infuriating to or seen as most treacherous by member of the US right, like comedians, talk show hosts, media figures etc. Want American public support, pick a side in the culture war. And when all those people start dying, don't take responsibility, but have Khamenei release lots and lots of memes that only hint at them being responsible.

Alright you had your fun now be real here. You were just arguing months ago that the Iranian terror network is nothing in comparison to the Wahhabist one. You know they don't have the capability or the sophistication to pull that off even if Soleimani was still around.

Still true. It's a "if they wanted to try their hand at being succesful, they should do this.." post. Assassinating various lib-progressive leaders and influential people isn't something you need experience at being a terrorist for. What government cannot pull off simple assassinations, really? Poisoning, sniper fire, mysterious car malfunctions in mountainous terrain... followed by reasonably plausible deniability.

[heydaralon]

Hanoi Dan called, he wants his talking points back Bjorn and Monte. Dan would probably be willing to surrender the United States for a soy bean field, ass hippie that he is...

[Montegriffo]

Reports that the Ukrainian airplane, which crashed 5 hours after the missile attacks, may have been accidentally shot down by Iranian anti-aircraft missiles.
This is what unintended consequences look like when you escalate already tense relations in the region.
3 Brits and over 50 Canadians amongst the 176 deaths. Probably all Muzzies though so nobody cares right?