Economics: Perverse Legislative Outcomes

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Re: Economics: Perverse Legislative Outcomes

Post by Smitty-48 » Tue Oct 01, 2019 1:24 pm

C-Mag wrote:
Tue Oct 01, 2019 1:17 pm
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Tue Oct 01, 2019 1:04 pm

Fortress America sits back and lets the world come to us......

No Boots on the Ground.
I'm just not certain having 200,000 troops deployed in 177 nations is sitting back letting the world to come to us.
So long as boys aren't coming home in flag draped coffins, it's not a problem.

Forward defense. It's a thermonuclear standoff with Moscow and Beijing. Isolationism is not an option.

Enemies of freedom. Existential threat. Not one step back. Balance of Terror.

Like I said, I'm a Republican. If you want to vote Libertarian, knock yourself out, but I'm with Uncle Abe.

No foreign giant shall drink a drop from the Mississippi, fifteen minutes notice to launch on warning.

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Re: Economics: Perverse Legislative Outcomes

Post by C-Mag » Tue Oct 01, 2019 1:37 pm

Fair Enough.

I'm a crazy ass Classic Liberal. I think we can exist just fine without a bunch of foreign entanglements.

I'm all for fighting wars to win wars. I'm no longer buying wars of occupation.
I spent the bulk of my military career dolling out foreign aid in Central America by way of building, schools, medical & dental clinics and roads. What did it get me...………. a Central American invasion with a bunch of fucks looking for a hand out.

I'm ready for a change in policy.

Honestly, I don't see this stuff as Republican policy, I see it as Progressive Policy. Woody Wilson has a wide grin on his face with our foreign policy.
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Re: Economics: Perverse Legislative Outcomes

Post by Smitty-48 » Tue Oct 01, 2019 1:43 pm

C-Mag wrote:
Tue Oct 01, 2019 1:37 pm
Fair Enough.

I'm a crazy ass Classic Liberal. I think we can exist just fine without a bunch of foreign entanglements.

I'm all for fighting wars to win wars.
This would be a thermonuclear war, so careful what you wish for.

These enemies have enough firepower to wipe us out, and there is no distance between us and them.

There is nowhere to back off to. Balance of Terror. We are backs against the wall here, 24-7-365

Do not go to the A Shau and chase them up Hamburger Hill; agreed. That was the Democrats.

None the less, we cannot afford to be naive, there has to be power projection to keep us from being dragged in.

Strategic warfare, not tactical phase.

Mahanian Eternal Seapower rule the waves.

Fifteen minutes notice to launch on warning to keep them at bay.

Never get out of the boat, unless you are going all the way.

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Re: Economics: Perverse Legislative Outcomes

Post by Smitty-48 » Tue Oct 01, 2019 1:50 pm

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Fair Enough.

I'm a crazy ass Classic Liberal.
Me too. So is King Dollar. That's the point. Information Warfare instead of thermonuclear.

Money talks and bullshit walks.

Let him do his job.
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Re: Economics: Perverse Legislative Outcomes

Post by C-Mag » Tue Oct 01, 2019 1:58 pm

Nah, we've just fought 4 wars without nukes.
The difference is Persian Gulf War and execution of GWOT.

Iraq for instance. Shinseki told W he needed 300,000.... W said do it with 140,000.
Now, that's the POTUS' authority and I was no fan of Shinseki. But in the end we didn't have the troops to lock down Iraq and spent the next decade fighting every hajji from China to the South Sudan. In the end, we lost a bunch of great toops and patriots fighting an international insurgency.

We send our troops out to occupy now, not fight and win. I'm all for total war to win a war quickly, Area bomb the cities, go Sherman on their asses. Own the fucking place, steal their resources. But lets not fuck around with trying to control trade by having an isolated base here and there taking rocket rounds, losing troops and having Flag grade officers that won't allow our troops to engage and kill the fighters the fired the rockets.
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Re: Economics: Perverse Legislative Outcomes

Post by Smitty-48 » Tue Oct 01, 2019 1:59 pm

C-Mag wrote:
Tue Oct 01, 2019 1:37 pm
Woody Wilson has a wide grin on his face with our foreign policy.
We bailed the British Empire out. They came cap in hand and sold their Hegenomy to us.

That investment had to be protected. The Germans weren't going to pay the vig.

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Re: Economics: Perverse Legislative Outcomes

Post by Smitty-48 » Tue Oct 01, 2019 2:03 pm

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I'm all for total war to win a war quickly, Area bomb the cities, go Sherman on their asses. Own the fucking place, steal their resources.
Since the introduction of the two stage fission fusion thermonuclear bomb, none of that is possible anymore.

That method of warfare is not even prosperous, you are advocating for British Imperialism.

Me, I'm an American Imperialist.

Empire of Liberty.

King Dollar Rule the Waves.

No need to steal people's shit, they take our IOU's, then they come to us.

Information Warfare.

Full Spectrum Dominance.

Classically liberal incarnate.
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Re: Economics: Perverse Legislative Outcomes

Post by C-Mag » Tue Oct 01, 2019 2:17 pm

Smitty-48 wrote:
Tue Oct 01, 2019 1:59 pm
C-Mag wrote:
Tue Oct 01, 2019 1:37 pm
Woody Wilson has a wide grin on his face with our foreign policy.
We bailed the British Empire out. They came cap in hand and sold their Hegenomy to us.

That investment had to be protected. The Germans weren't going to pay the vig.

Flight to Quality. Towards Constitution Avenue. Source of all American wealth and power.
I think there is a lot of truth in that. I've even made the case that the US is not Rome, we are Byzantium continuing the empire.

I listened to Mike Moreley(?) former acting DNI under W being interviewed last week. He's an anti Trumper, but he laid it out pretty bare. He said every POTUS has for the last 75 years has followed the Truman Doctrine and enforced the hegemony. Things started to shift a little under Obama, but he quickly got with the program. Trump won't get with the program...…........ thus hatred and resistence in DC.
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Re: Economics: Perverse Legislative Outcomes

Post by C-Mag » Tue Oct 01, 2019 2:19 pm

Smitty-48 wrote:
Tue Oct 01, 2019 2:03 pm
C-Mag wrote:
Tue Oct 01, 2019 1:58 pm
I'm all for total war to win a war quickly, Area bomb the cities, go Sherman on their asses. Own the fucking place, steal their resources.
Since the introduction of the two stage fission fusion thermonuclear bomb, none of that is possible anymore.

I fully understand what I'm advocating aint gonna happen, but a guys gotta have a goal.
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Re: Economics: Perverse Legislative Outcomes

Post by Smitty-48 » Tue Oct 01, 2019 2:24 pm

C-Mag wrote:
Tue Oct 01, 2019 2:17 pm
I think there is a lot of truth in that. I've even made the case that the US is not Rome, we are Byzantium continuing the empire.
We are neither. We are something completely new. The Shot Heard Round the World.

A whole new kind of empire. A flag that makes men free.

We don't need to conquer people by force of arms, they will come to us in the end.

In the meantime tho, we are in a global thermonuclear standoff with enemies who seek to destroy us.

The key is to contain them. Freedom of Navigation. Just sail around them while King Dollar does the heavy lifting.

Never get out of the boat unless you are going all the way.
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