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Another Liberal Concept Down

Post by Martin Hash » Mon Sep 02, 2019 5:47 pm

Liberal was the idea that the circumstances of a person’s birth could be overcome through merit, but Identity Politics returns us to a Class System.
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Re: Another Liberal Concept Down

Post by DrYouth » Tue Sep 03, 2019 9:42 am

Martin Hash wrote:
Mon Sep 02, 2019 5:47 pm
Liberal was the idea that the circumstances of a person’s birth could be overcome through merit, but Identity Politics returns us to a Class System.
Listening to Mike Duncan's Revolutions podcast has really helped me understand the differences between Liberalism and "Progressivism" or "Marxism" or as Duncan refers to it as "the Social Question"...
Also reading Ken Wilbur's "Integral Theory" of Social Development helped me as well.

He basically points out the dead end in the "Post Modern" level of development...
And states that previous levels of development have to be integrated to cross the gap to the "Integral" level.
It's an interesting way of thinking about it.



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Re: Another Liberal Concept Down

Post by Martin Hash » Tue Sep 03, 2019 11:09 am

The hive mind.
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Post by Speaker to Animals » Tue Sep 03, 2019 11:13 am

That graphic is hilarious.

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Re: Another Liberal Concept Down

Post by Martin Hash » Tue Sep 03, 2019 11:14 am

Marxists always consider themselves more evolved. It’s part of their narcissism.
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Re: Another Liberal Concept Down

Post by Martin Hash » Tue Sep 03, 2019 11:18 am

Hivists vs. Individualists

There are at 3 different kinds of Hivists: Marxists, Socialists & Theists.
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Re: Another Liberal Concept Down

Post by DrYouth » Tue Sep 03, 2019 11:21 am

Martin Hash wrote:
Tue Sep 03, 2019 11:14 am
Marxists always consider themselves more evolved. It’s part of their narcissism.
Who's a Marxist?
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Post by DrYouth » Tue Sep 03, 2019 11:24 am

Speaker to Animals wrote:
Tue Sep 03, 2019 11:13 am
That graphic is hilarious.
Having self identified as a reactionary... you would presumably put peak social achievement of humanity back to about the 1500s and downhill ever since?
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Re: Another Liberal Concept Down

Post by Martin Hash » Tue Sep 03, 2019 11:29 am

The graphic implies increasing progression into Marxism.
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Re: Another Liberal Concept Down

Post by Speaker to Animals » Tue Sep 03, 2019 11:45 am

DrYouth wrote:
Tue Sep 03, 2019 11:24 am
Speaker to Animals wrote:
Tue Sep 03, 2019 11:13 am
That graphic is hilarious.
Having self identified as a reactionary... you would presumably put peak social achievement of humanity back to about the 1500s and downhill ever since?
I would not be so naive and childish as to create such a scheme and I definitely would never post something like that seriously.

Anybody can create a graphic based on their ideology where they are near the top (the very top reserved only for the "saints" and yogis), and then put all the people they oppose near the bottom, as if it's all just some progression towards enlightenment. Boring.

I don't even have so much contempt for anybody that I would do some shit like that either. Not even planetary scientists and economists.