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Re: UK's biggest welfare family have another baby

Post by StCapps » Thu May 09, 2019 12:28 am

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You only have to see what a poverty stricken, third world shithouse Germany became to understand what a mistake it was for Churchill to prop up evil Western democracy. Nazi Germany was the last bastion of decency and human rights.
He propped up America and the Soviet Union, which lead to the Cold War. He certainly didn't prop up Britain, he destroyed the Empire. Britain would have been better off if they had stayed out of it, if they had, WWI never would have been a world war in the first place, it would have been Franco-Prussian War 2.0 and there never would have been a WWII.
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Re: UK's biggest welfare family have another baby

Post by Smitty-48 » Thu May 09, 2019 1:55 am

StCapps wrote:
Thu May 09, 2019 12:28 am
Montegriffo wrote:
Thu May 09, 2019 12:26 am
You only have to see what a poverty stricken, third world shithouse Germany became to understand what a mistake it was for Churchill to prop up evil Western democracy. Nazi Germany was the last bastion of decency and human rights.
He propped up America and the Soviet Union, which lead to the Cold War. He certainly didn't prop up Britain, he destroyed the Empire. Britain would have been better off if they had stayed out of it, if they had, WWI never would have been a world war in the first place, it would have been Franco-Prussian War 2.0 and there never would have been a WWII.
Pretty sure the British Empire was not a democracy.

To wit, how can 6,000 British rule over 100,000,000 Indians with an iron fist, in a democracy?

Pretty sure French Indochina wasn't a democracy neither.

Defend the route through Suez and the associated slave empires, at any cost.

First World War. Second World War. Same mission.

The wars to prevent democracy from coming to India, Indochina, and the Far East beyond.

There was never any intention to involve the Americans and their democracy in this operation.

that only became a plan after the British and French got their asses handed to them at Sedan.
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Re: UK's biggest welfare family have another baby

Post by StCapps » Thu May 09, 2019 2:06 am

Smitty-48 wrote:
Thu May 09, 2019 1:55 am
Pretty sure the British Empire was not a democracy.

To wit, how can 6,000 British rule over 100,000,000 Indians with an iron fist, in a democracy?

Pretty sure French Indochina wasn't a democracy neither.

Defend the route through Suez and the associated slave empires, at any cost.

First World War. Second World War. Same mission.

The wars to prevent democracy from coming to India, Indochina, and the Far East beyond.

There was never any intention to involve the Americans and their democracy in this operation.

that only became a plan after the British and French got their asses handed to them at Sedan.
The only reason Churchill is lionized is because his side won the war, and got to write the propaganda to make him look good. If the Nazi's had won, he would pretty much be in the same position as Hitler is now, but because of the winner blindspot, he's now the most overrated leader of the 20th Century. Churchill may have been out to defend the Empire at any cost, but the only thing he succeeded in defending was his reputation among the rubes.

If America hadn't bailed him out, twice, he would also not be looked upon so favorably either.
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Re: UK's biggest welfare family have another baby

Post by Smitty-48 » Thu May 09, 2019 2:12 am

StCapps wrote:
Thu May 09, 2019 2:06 am
Smitty-48 wrote:
Thu May 09, 2019 1:55 am
Pretty sure the British Empire was not a democracy.

To wit, how can 6,000 British rule over 100,000,000 Indians with an iron fist, in a democracy?

Pretty sure French Indochina wasn't a democracy neither.

Defend the route through Suez and the associated slave empires, at any cost.

First World War. Second World War. Same mission.

The wars to prevent democracy from coming to India, Indochina, and the Far East beyond.

There was never any intention to involve the Americans and their democracy in this operation.

that only became a plan after the British and French got their asses handed to them at Sedan.
The only reason Churchill is lionized is because his side won the war, and got to write the propaganda to make him look good. If the Nazi's had won, he would pretty much be in the same position as Hitler is now, but because of the winner blindspot, he's now the most overrated leader of the 20th Century. Churchill may have been out to defend the Empire at any cost, but the only thing he succeeded in defending was his reputation among the rubes.

If America hadn't bailed him out, twice, he would also not be looked upon so favorably either.
Behind the scenes he was not lionized at all.

Both the American and British chains of command viewed him as being a loose cannon and even a security risk.

Thus why they essentially cut Churchill out of the loop, while retaining him as a public figurehead with no authority.

It all came to a head when he tried to overrule Eisenhower and then they had to put him in his place, then he had a nervous breakdown and went Brian Wilson, refusing to get out of bed.
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Re: UK's biggest welfare family have another baby

Post by StCapps » Thu May 09, 2019 2:18 am

Smitty-48 wrote:
Thu May 09, 2019 2:12 am
Behind the scenes he was not lionized at all.

Both the American and British chains of command viewed him as being a loose cannon and even a security risk.

Thus why they essentially cut Churchill out of the loop, while retaining him as a public figurehead with no authority.

It all came to a head when he tried to overrule Eisenhower and then they had to put him in his place, then he had a nervous breakdown and went Brian Wilson, refusing to get out of bed.
Revisionist history saved his reputation basically.
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Re: UK's biggest welfare family have another baby

Post by Smitty-48 » Thu May 09, 2019 2:23 am

StCapps wrote:
Thu May 09, 2019 2:18 am
Smitty-48 wrote:
Thu May 09, 2019 2:12 am
Behind the scenes he was not lionized at all.

Both the American and British chains of command viewed him as being a loose cannon and even a security risk.

Thus why they essentially cut Churchill out of the loop, while retaining him as a public figurehead with no authority.

It all came to a head when he tried to overrule Eisenhower and then they had to put him in his place, then he had a nervous breakdown and went Brian Wilson, refusing to get out of bed.
Revisionist history saved his reputation basically.
His last gasp attempt was to go straight to the King to back him up.

Even the King said "Eisenhower is in charge" and that was the end of it.
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Re: UK's biggest welfare family have another baby

Post by Smitty-48 » Thu May 09, 2019 2:35 am

It's not even the case that America was fighting for democracy in the Wars of British Hegemonic Succession.

America was fighting for Wall Street, as per usual.

When Wall Street bailed the British out in 1916, they essentially took ownership of the British Empire.

America was simply protecting its investments.

You'll note that America did not actually impose democracy at the end of either war.

America continues to prop the British Empire up to this very day.

Saudi Arabia being the principle asset at this point.
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Re: UK's biggest welfare family have another baby

Post by StCapps » Thu May 09, 2019 2:41 am

Would be nice if Churchill's undeserved reputation is one day burned to the ground, but the rubes want to believe he was a great leader, so it might take quite a while, if it ever happens.
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Re: UK's biggest welfare family have another baby

Post by Smitty-48 » Thu May 09, 2019 2:46 am

StCapps wrote:
Thu May 09, 2019 2:41 am
Would be nice if Churchill's reputation was one day burned to the ground, but the rubes want to believe he was a great leader, so it might take quite a while, if it ever happens.
He's literally the most disastrous British military leader of all time.

He singlehandedy foisted the Empire on its own petard and rendered Britain itself bankrupt in the process.
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Re: UK's biggest welfare family have another baby

Post by StCapps » Thu May 09, 2019 2:51 am

Smitty-48 wrote:
Thu May 09, 2019 2:46 am
StCapps wrote:
Thu May 09, 2019 2:41 am
Would be nice if Churchill's reputation was one day burned to the ground, but the rubes want to believe he was a great leader, so it might take quite a while, if it ever happens.
He's literally the most disastrous British military leader of all time.

He singlehandedy foisted the Empire on its own petard and rendered Britain itself bankrupt in the process.
Oh how the mighty have fallen, Thanks Churchill.
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