Marxism Never Died, It Just Went Underground

[Martin Hash]

When the Soviet Union fell, I and everyone else assumed Marxism was defeated. Yeah, China was still around but they were pussies and looked like they were becoming Chrony Capitalists anyway.

In retrospect, Marxism went nowhere, it just rebranded and went underground. The Left has gained a level of control in media, education, Tech, entertainment & government even greater than liberty ever had. It’s embarrassing & frightening that we were so compromised. Thank god for Trump because this was over otherwise, before our side even knew.

[heydaralon]

When the Soviet Union fell, I and everyone else assumed Marxism was defeated. Yeah, China was still around but they were pussies and looked like they were becoming Chrony Capitalists anyway.

In retrospect, Marxism went nowhere, it just rebranded and went underground. The Left has gained a level of control in media, education, Tech, entertainment & government even greater than liberty ever had. It’s embarrassing & frightening that we were so compromised. Thank god for Trump because this was over otherwise, before our side even knew.

That marx quote about selling the capitalists the rope they would use to hang themselves is kind of relevant here. A lot of this marxist shit you hear is being facilitated by corporations who are castrated by fear of HR complaints or fear of losing advertising revenue. They are imposing this shit on themselves.

At the bottom you have liberal arts college grads who majored in women's studies and resent the high paying jobs, and BLM who hate the cops in their democratically elected city acting accordingly to complaints from residents in these same mostly minority neighborhoods about crime. You have tenured professors who are not only boomer marxist types, but also afraid of being purged for deviating too far from the party ideology. At the top you have corporations that are fundamentally amoral, but are attempting to reach out to this youth SJW demographic via social media or through advertisements, without regard for the longterm, or the implications for their company itself if these beliefs were taken to their logical conclusion. It feels to me like a case of the middle getting squeezed by the sides.

[TheReal_ND]

Hot take

Marx was not a bad guy. Spoiled jew maybe. He was more of an intellectual diletante with ideas about how the post industrial age was going to unfold with not even radical critiques of systems of capitalism which at the time was never meant to be a core ideology but just a scientific system. You may have had other people seize his ideas, undoubtedly popular at the time, and use them to further their own ends, (like Hitler,) but Marx never intended his theories to become radical eschatologies.

If I'm wrong on any of this impression I have, let me know.

[Martin Hash]

Capitalism is an economic theory that works well with Jeffersonian Liberty, which is the true opposite of Marxism.

Liberty doen’t even require democracy, that’s just the best fit because everyone’s vote is equal, but a lottery to choose leaders would fit liberty too as long as it was unbiased.

[Martin Hash]

Marxism has absorbed the Women’s movement; it has absorbed the Civil Rights movement; it has absorbed Globalism. My god, it has become The Matriarchy, taking fully half of all females. It has got to be the biggest movement in the world; bigger than religion, bigger than liberalism, bigger even than freedom.

[heydaralon]

Capitalism is an economic theory that works well with Jeffersonian Liberty, which is the true opposite of Marxism.

Liberty doen’t even require democracy, that’s just the best fit because everyone’s vote is equal, but a lottery to choose leaders would fit liberty too as long as it was unbiased.

Marxism has absorbed the Women’s movement; it has absorbed the Civil Rights movement; it has absorbed Globalism. My god, it has become The Matriarchy, taking fully half of all females. It has got to be the biggest movement in the world; bigger than religion, bigger than liberalism, bigger even than freedom.

ok, so here's where the problem lies: you have a huge group of people that hate capitalism (they still have iphones and shit but they hate the idea of someone working hard and achieving stuff), but capitalism doesn't hate them. It still views them as potential customers of its products and services. In theory, capitalism is supposed to cut across racial, religious, and ideological lines to make money, and avoid value judgments. Well, in order to attract these customers it needs to appeal to their ideas. It needs to have an old white man break into the woman's house for the ADT commercial, and have a black customer service representative man the phone when the alarm goes off. It needs to have a token gay character storyline on every tv show. It needs to create rainbow colored candy to commemorate the Pulse victims, and deny services to any person who will alienate a potential market they can tap into (minorities, women, trans people, gays, etc.). Its pretty obvious how the government can limit liberty, but in the private sector society can apply quite a bit of pressure too. Even though in the long run I think this shit will hurt business, most businesses are cheering this stuff on, because they cannot afford to think longterm. How do you fix that?

[TheReal_ND]

Capitalism is an economic theory that works well with Jeffersonian Liberty, which is the true opposite of Marxism.

Liberty doen’t even require democracy, that’s just the best fit because everyone’s vote is equal, but a lottery to choose leaders would fit liberty too as long as it was unbiased.

Well look here dude. At the time Marx was writing his insanely long treatise on economic theory, Das Kapital, there were possibly huge problems with capitalism in the post industrial and post feudal age. Like, when he wrote that dry tomb, it was possibly an ancap's paradise with the window dressing of a dying feudal order. It's quite possible nothing was working. I hedge my bets on that because many well regarded contemporaries during the time like Upton Sinclair were outright liars. Well now you have your success which is measured after two devastating WORLD wars and a third against a hegemonic Russian Empire and you are quite certain that this is because of our belief in Capitalism and Jeffersonian ideals while all throughout our recent history progressive ideals have dominated our politics prior to the recent abominations? I just want to be frank and assert the presumption that perhaps this is more of a lucky coincidence that has kept things chugging along for the past half century than any ideal form of scientific economic political theory. We all know how slow scholars are slow to accept something new. I respect you a lot but I just cant sit idly by while capitalism gets off Scott free and Marxism is hung out to dry like a scape goat. They are two of the same thing to my mind anyway.

[Martin Hash]

Credit card companies aren’t denying payment processing because they’ll make more money.

Sporting goods stores didn’t stop selling guns to 18 year olds because they’ll make more money.

Google isn’t changing search results to make more money.

Facebook, Twitter, YouTube, etc. doesn’t deplatform people to make more money.

The people doing this don’t need any more fucking money; these are the most elite, wealthy people in the world.

[heydaralon]

In theory, capitalism is supposed to line up with liberty, but that doesn't inevitably happen in practice. China is probably cooking the books in terms of their growth, but after Xiapeng they saw record amounts of poor people rise out of abject poverty in record time. Before Lenin and WW1, Russia was achieving massive amounts of economic growth under the Tsars. In Shah era Iran, the country rapidly underwent economic modernization and growth, and Mubarak's Egypt also expanded the economy. None of these countries had any kind of liberty that we would enjoy in the West. They are not places that I would want to live in. But they did enjoy much of the benefits of Capitalism. It is a modern day fairy tale that capitalism goes hand in hand with civil liberties and freedom. People who are expecting the market to fix these problems we see with our current SJW battles are deluding themselves. Culture is a far bigger part of the equation.

[TheReal_ND]

I disagree with the idea of attributing anything China or Russia has done regarding their well being to capitalism. Hell, where the fuck is the capitalism everyone speaks of? It's not here. It was never there and never will be. China and Russia were backwards. Seriously you can be an uncooked barbarian and eventually learn something from being dominated for hundreds of years. China and Russia are poor arguments imnsho.