"Morals are the intention to turn something subjective into something objective." - me
You claim you don't believe in morals. Then you accuse others of wanting to impose then on you. But when they point out that it has been people like you all along imposing morals on everybody, you go back to claiming they don't exist.
Liberals also have trouble with the truth. Rule #3.
Liberals are on the side of liberty, personal autonomy. As I have explained before, a "Liberal" believes in Jeffersonian Liberty, where people are responsible for their own actions, and are limited by the liberty of others. The Left believes in Marxist liberty, responsibility is shared by the group, and your liberty takes precedence over others outside the group.
Conservatives aren't much into liberty; either God said it or He didn't. (Or the King.) They often say liberty has some other meaning, or is simply a synonym for "freedom."
p.s. Some Conservatives go so far as to NOT believe in Free Will. We had this discussion the other day when I mentioned that the phrase "God is dead," alludes to the disavowal of that believe.
Well, this is where we have to come to a disagreement then.
Conservatives to me were always stated to me growing up were what you consider "Jeffersonian liberals" today.
Those who are the bible-thumpers were always right-wing nutters growing up in my house.
Postby Speaker to Animals » Fri Sep 28, 2018 8:29 am
Recap:
Rule #1: Liberals seek to normalize degeneracy. They argue it's a moral good, and then use state violence to force everybody to participate in it. That's literally what liberalism has always been about since the French invented it.
Rule #2: Liberals always project. To cover for their wanting to impose by state violence their inverted morality upon society, they scream that the people wanting to be left the fuck alone are really the ones who want to impose their morals on the degenerates. Or like feminist women accusing everybody who doesn't agree with them of hating women while they actively and openly hate men. Or BLM who hate whites complaining about racism against black people. Etc. Etc. They ALWAYS PROJECT. Pay careful attention to what they accuse the world of, because it's probably what they are doing themselves.
Rule #3: Liberals don't believe in truth. It's just semantic and power games with them. They will change the meanings of words, alter their positions, and do whatever it takes to carry out their goals.
Postby Speaker to Animals » Fri Sep 28, 2018 8:34 am
I think it's hilarious, actually, that we all just witnessed that farce yesterday and now today there are still people in here arguing that liberalism is not degeneracy. That shit is FUNNY.
The concept of "Marxist liberty" vs. "Jeffersonian liberty" is one I developed while I was going to Dem meetings last year. Those Leftists (way, WAY more socialists and outright Marxists than in any of my previous decade of going to meetings) also believed in personal autonomy (liberty), and it took me a while to figure out what the difference was. My conservative view of liberty I now call Jeffersonian liberty to distinguish the two. Then there's what the world calls liberty (they conflate it with freedom), then there's StA's view (maybe shared by others, I don't have a lot of contact with elitists) where only special people get liberty.
The concept of "Marxist liberty" vs. "Jeffersonian liberty" is one I developed while I was going to Dem meetings last year. Those Leftists (way, WAY more socialists and outright Marxists than in any of my previous decade of going to meetings) also believed in personal autonomy (liberty), and it took me a while to figure out what the difference was. My conservative view of liberty I now call Jeffersonian liberty to distinguish the two. Then there's what the world calls liberty (they conflate it with freedom), then there's StA's view (maybe shared by others, I don't have a lot of contact with elitists) where only special people get liberty.
That was good.
I've been out front calling for the GOP to sobpoena Ms Ford and others, just for these reasons. Others on the site want to play political games with this stuff. I don't.
Postby Speaker to Animals » Fri Sep 28, 2018 9:12 am
Also, Jefferson was the biggest liberal in America that I know of. He saw the French revolution first hand and liked what he saw. Think about that shit before you assign your name to his legacy.
