Seattle Socialists Strangle Golden Goose

[DBTrek]

Actually, I paraphrased your ridiculous argument and you latched on to that mocking as proof that “we agree” and have been bumbling forward ever since.

And you continue to bumble, predictably, every step of the way.

You’re just nat at a level to discuss things yet. You’re at that young, predictable, progressive tool level. Sorry.
/shrug

Give it a few years, maybe you’ll eventually see beyond the narrow progressive factoid train you currently mistake for wisdom.

[jediuser598]

Actually, I paraphrased your ridiculous argument and you latched on to that mocking as proof that “we agree” and have been bumbling forward ever since.

And you continue to bumble, predictably, every step of the way.

You’re just nat at a level to discuss things yet. You’re at that young, predictable, progressive tool level. Sorry.

Then stop responding to me, dipshit.

It ain't hard, Okee says stupid shit to me all the time, you don't see me giving him any play do you?

[jediuser598]

Give it a few years, maybe you’ll eventually see beyond the narrow progressive factoid train you currently mistake for wisdom.

Anarchism, not even once.

(zing)

[TheReal_ND]

No, let's put it to a vote. Surely you dont want "The Man" implementing policies you agree with even if they are unpopular. I mean only squares would be lackeys that need to undemocratically push their legislation through.

If the people of Seattle don't want needle exchanges in their cities, then they'll vote out the people who are putting in those needle exchanges or elect someone who will promise to get rid of those needle exchanges.

This isn't the federal government, small groups of people can have a huge impact on local government.

If you're railing against legitimate democratic process (read constitutional process), then that's your problem.

Lets do direct democracy so that the entire community of Seattle gets to vote for that policy. Even the illegals. Lets just put it up for a vote for like, whom'st ever. Power to the people. Fuck the Man, man.

[jediuser598]

No, let's put it to a vote. Surely you dont want "The Man" implementing policies you agree with even if they are unpopular. I mean only squares would be lackeys that need to undemocratically push their legislation through.

If the people of Seattle don't want needle exchanges in their cities, then they'll vote out the people who are putting in those needle exchanges or elect someone who will promise to get rid of those needle exchanges.

This isn't the federal government, small groups of people can have a huge impact on local government.

If you're railing against legitimate democratic process (read constitutional process), then that's your problem.

Lets do direct democracy so that the entire community of Seattle gets to vote for that policy. Even the illegals. Lets just put it up for a vote for like, whom'st ever. Power to the people. Fuck the Man, man.

No thanks.

[JohnDonne]

The correct analogy to hospitals and the sick would be something that reduces homelessness.

Hospitals aren't an accurate comparison to welfare programs that INCREASE homelessness, drug abuse, and unemployment.

Something like, places of employment tend to attract people who work to avoid being homeless. Unless it's Amazon.

See, that's the trouble your friend Trek had I'm afraid, he couldn't actually demonstrate that homeless services increase homelessness, rather than attract homeless from other areas, much as a hospital attracts sick people from different areas. A subtle distinction I'm afraid, but one that makes all the difference when determining how to craft a solution. But since we've already demonstrated that increasing rent prices causes homelessness, then the solution lies in what the head tax was intended for in the first place: Affordable housing!

Actually, you couldn't grasp that subsidizing the homeless lifestyle attracted more homeless. Ergo what you subsidize, you get more of. You had some real cognitive problems realizing your own position played directly into my points until I spelled it out for you Green Eggs and Ham style.

Oh my bad, I must not have read your mind while you were repeating your catch-phrase.

But given your posting history and the law of averages, can you blame a guy for assuming you were holding the most ridiculous position?

In regards to your "solution" of letting the homeless rot, it seems like such a good idea that it'd probably work in a lot of other areas. Hospitals could boast of having healthier patients if they admitted only the physically well, and left the sick ones to die. Public schools could boast of only smart students if they didn't enroll stupid kids. There's a lot of potential in this way of dealing with problems.

[Kath]

Fiscally conservative, for sure.

I wish Seatttle would put out an RFQ to grant anyone a billion dollars to spend as long as they can figure out how to get 10K people off the street.

Nerd & I will apply and even offer to do it for half that amount.

[PartyOf5]

What's the cost of that junky going to the ER instead of not having those symptoms from HIV/Aids?

I mean shit, it would be cheaper if they'd just get lifetime treatment after they contracted it, and according to the king county website, lifetime treatment for HIV is "$385,200."

By preventing infections in just three people per year, the needle exchange program pays for itself.

https://www.kingcounty.gov/depts/health ... hange.aspx

By your own fucking logic, the program pays for itself if it stops three people from contracting HIV. The ER is going to be a lot more expensive if that junky doesn't die quickly and keeps utilizing the ER to treat symptoms. Hell, like I said, even just giving them the treatment would be better, and less expensive.

Fiscally conservative, for sure.

That's not the only cost of having a drug addict on the streets. By giving them clean needles you are encouraging further drug use. Where do they get the money for the drugs? Probably from stealing from individuals or businesses. What about the old needles they discard where they are a danger to others. It's not just about the poor drug user. You are so laser focused on one single thing (HIV) that you are ignoring all the others costs to society.

Common sense tells you giving needles to a drug addict is enabling them and is not a good long term decision.

[Hanarchy Montanarchy]

How many heroin addicts have quit for want of a clean needle?

[PartyOf5]

I would like to know the percentage of drug users who come in for clean needles that actually used the other services offered to get clean.