Millennials aren't ready for the 'reality of life'

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Re: Millennials aren't ready for the 'reality of life'

Post by Speaker to Animals » Mon Nov 27, 2017 12:28 pm

This is the first line of the Gospel of John:
εν αρχε ην ο λογοσ, και ο λογοσ ην προσ τον θεον,
και θεοσ ην ο λογοσ.

Running that through Google's translator:
in the first place the logos, and the word to the god,
and God's Word.
From NIV:
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
Not bad, considering it's ancient Greek..

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Re: Millennials aren't ready for the 'reality of life'

Post by SuburbanFarmer » Mon Nov 27, 2017 2:07 pm

Speaker to Animals wrote:This is the first line of the Gospel of John:
εν αρχε ην ο λογοσ, και ο λογοσ ην προσ τον θεον,
και θεοσ ην ο λογοσ.

Running that through Google's translator:
in the first place the logos, and the word to the god,
and God's Word.
From NIV:
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
Not bad, considering it's ancient Greek..
Jesus didn't speak Aramaic? That's news to me..

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Language_of_Jesus

So, i suppose you could cut out the Latin, with the King James Version, and just go Aramaic > Greek (or Latin, depending on what part you want to work on) > English, and then "Church of England filter mode". https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/King_James_Version
James gave the translators instructions intended to ensure that the new version would conform to the ecclesiology and reflect the episcopal structure of the Church of England and its belief in an ordained clergy.[8] The translation was done by 47 scholars, all of whom were members of the Church of England.[9] In common with most other translations of the period, the New Testament was translated from Greek, the Old Testament from Hebrew and Aramaic, and the Apocrypha from Greek and Latin
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Also, let's not forget to be gender-inclusive. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_International_Version
The NIV underwent a minor revision in 1984. A planned 1997 edition was discontinued over inclusive language.[6]
A revised English edition titled Today's New International Version (TNIV) released a New Testament in March 2002, with the complete Bible published February 2005.
2011 update
In 2011, an updated version of the NIV was released. The update modified and dropped some of the gender-neutral language of the TNIV, along with other changes.[7] Translational issues with Paul's letters were also addressed.[8][9] Keith Danby, president and chief executive officer of Biblica, speaking of the TNIV, said they had failed to convince people revisions were needed and underestimated readers' loyalty to the 1984 edition.
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Re: Millennials aren't ready for the 'reality of life'

Post by BjornP » Mon Nov 27, 2017 2:17 pm

GrumpyCatFace wrote:[

Jesus didn't speak Aramaic? That's news to me..

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Language_of_Jesus
Jesus did not write the New Testament, however...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Language_ ... _Testament
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Post by SuburbanFarmer » Mon Nov 27, 2017 2:26 pm

BjornP wrote:
GrumpyCatFace wrote:[

Jesus didn't speak Aramaic? That's news to me..

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Language_of_Jesus
Jesus did not write the New Testament, however...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Language_ ... _Testament
Valid point. Either he spoke Greek, the apostles spoke Greek, or someone centuries later decided to translate it to Greek.

(or it's all nonsense anyway)
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Post by Speaker to Animals » Mon Nov 27, 2017 2:27 pm

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Post by Montegriffo » Mon Nov 27, 2017 2:27 pm

In the beginning was the Word and the word was ARRRR.
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Re: Millennials aren't ready for the 'reality of life'

Post by SuburbanFarmer » Mon Nov 27, 2017 2:31 pm

It's worth noting that Jesus was speaking pretty easily with the local Roman administrator, who we can assume spoke classical Latin.

So, we have (at least) a tri-lingual homeless carpenter from the 1st century. Or, the local romans were speaking languages all over the place, because fuck-it-thats-what-we-believe.
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Re: Millennials aren't ready for the 'reality of life'

Post by BjornP » Mon Nov 27, 2017 2:48 pm

GrumpyCatFace wrote:It's worth noting that Jesus was speaking pretty easily with the local Roman administrator, who we can assume spoke classical Latin.

So, we have (at least) a tri-lingual homeless carpenter from the 1st century. Or, the local romans were speaking languages all over the place, because fuck-it-thats-what-we-believe.
Wrong assumption. Any Roman administrator in the eastern half of the Roman empire, and indeed any educated Roman, would know Greek. Greek (first Koine, later Byzantine Greek) was the lingua franca of the eastern Roman empire and would remain so untill the Arab conquests. It would be sensible for any 1st century Jew to know how to speak Koine Greek for trade purposes, if nothing else. Since his followers spread their religion to non-Jews, they obviously spoke Greek.
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Re: Millennials aren't ready for the 'reality of life'

Post by LVH2 » Mon Nov 27, 2017 2:58 pm

clubgop wrote:
de officiis wrote:
BjornP wrote:In the barbarian wastelands of the America after "The Decline", as it came to be known, parents would be taking responsibility for their kids not getting fat and learning to cook. Civilization never recovered.

:violin:
Well I only ask because I had heard that they taught kids about household budgeting and how to balance a checkbook, that sort of thing. Useful stuff.
I learned to sew in Middle school and then was reinforced in the army that was helpful.
Now that you mention it, I remember learning how to fill out job applications and stuff like that. Maybe how to write a check.

Life skills and vocational training should probably be a big chunk of education, especially in the poorer schools.

We talk about "parents," but in inner city schools that's not the term you use. You say, "whoever takes care of you." At one middle school where I subbed, 40% of the kids were in foster care. This wasn't a special school, other than the fact that it was in a terrible neighborhood.

Even if you have parents, it's far from certain that they give two shits about you. I remember asking a couple huge classes, 35-40 students if they'd seen the new Harry Potter. This was not in a terrible neighborhood. Lower working class, but not ghetto. Zero. You'd think that someone, an aunt or uncle, and older sibling, would occasionally drop $20 to take one of these kids to a movie. No way. Also, living 12 miles from the beach, none of them had ever been.

Having just 1 parent in the picture is a win. And they probably work at least 40 hours a week. Someplace like LA, tack on 5-8 hours commuting. And odds are, they don't really have great lifeskills either.

Even if you're middle class, there's no guarantee you have interested parents, who have good life skills, who bother to impart them to you, etc.

At the same time, it is hard to absorb that stuff as a kid because it all takes place in a hypothetical reality that seems alien to you.

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Re: Millennials aren't ready for the 'reality of life'

Post by skankhunt42 » Mon Nov 27, 2017 7:41 pm

GrumpyCatFace wrote:It's worth noting that Jesus was speaking pretty easily with the local Roman administrator, who we can assume spoke classical Latin.

So, we have (at least) a tri-lingual homeless carpenter from the 1st century. Or, the local romans were speaking languages all over the place, because fuck-it-thats-what-we-believe.
Where is your proof that Jesus existed and wasn't an idea lifted from previous religions in the region?
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