NATO's 2% goal

[Smitty-48]

Now that you're here Smitty, what's the current role of Canada when it comes to ICBM defense of the US? Just seems like you guys have been a little more sensible than us Norwegians, and stayed out of it, for the most part. But is that about to change now?

The government is always looking for ways which they can pork barrel by American MIC while appeasing Washington, so joining the American BMD is an option they are seriously considering, they are just afraid of the reaction which will come from the Anti-American Peaceniks.

The new Canadian warships, if they ever get built, will have the Raytheon Air and Missile Defense Radar and would be able to load the Aegis BMD RIM-161C mid course tactical ABM, so the option to go with American BMD is provided by Lockheed Martin Canada, should they decide to arm the ships with the ABMs.

I can't see them buying THAADS, single role system doesn't do anything else, so for land based BMD, I would say they would just allow the Americans to put their BMD systems in Canada, plausibly in Goose Bay Labrador which is a base which has no use, but which the government would like to keep open for vote buying purposes.

The Canadian military doesn't bring much to the table anymore, so BMD would be a way the government could get more bang for their buck, for the purposes of sucking up to Washington with something which is actually relevant to Washington.

The problem in Canada is that only the navy and air force are of much use, but all the budget gets sucked up by the army supposedly to do "Peacekeeping", but all we end up with is no navy, no air force, and an army which can't actually fight wars. BMD would as least be something, rather than what we have now, which is nothing.

They cancelled the F-35, so Canada is going to be out of the air combat business, they won't buy new submarines, so Canada is not going to be defending the continent that way, the Type 26 with BMD is basically all they got to offer, again, if that is not cancelled too when it inevitably goes way over budget.

[Smitty-48]

Basically, big picture, nobody in Canada gives a shit, everybody in Canada has a sob story, all they care about is government handouts, actual military concerns never enter into it, so the military has basically collapsed already, all there is a bunch of empty bases in the districts, with a Boutique Army fake military on display, doesn't actually serve any operational purpose other than vote buying and regional employment fake work welfare jobs.

Canada is just a life support system for a Nanny Socialist Prohibitionist Welfare Gulag and associated CBC state propaganda arm. Otherwise known as a Fake Country.

Canada may appear prosperous, but it's an illusion, the Americans are prosperous, Canada simply dines out on American corporate welfare to prop up the Nanny Police State which would otherwise collapse into civil disorder without special access to the American economy, American MIC pork is all inclusive to that.

[Otern]

What about radars? I could see the benefit for the US having a bunch of radars far north in Canada, to more accurately predict the trajectory of the Russian ICBMs. Makes sense from an alliance point of view, but not as much from a Canadian self preservation point of view.

[Smitty-48]

What about radars? I could see the benefit for the US having a bunch of radars far north in Canada, to more accurately predict the trajectory of the Russian ICBMs. Makes sense from an alliance point of view, but not as much from a Canadian self preservation point of view.

The Americans are investing in more sea based radar like the AMDR, the way BMD works is that you need a network of launch platforms, because the incoming missiles are flying so fast in orbit, the radar on each platform will only have a tiny window to shoot, so the Americans want the radars further out from the CONUS, by the time the incoming is over the CONUS, it's too late.

[Speaker to Animals]

What about radars? I could see the benefit for the US having a bunch of radars far north in Canada, to more accurately predict the trajectory of the Russian ICBMs. Makes sense from an alliance point of view, but not as much from a Canadian self preservation point of view.

Defense of North America is done jointly between us. If they ever fuck up even that, then I think we will start to do it ourselves.

They act like they hate us too, but pretty much none of them would do anything more than cry crocodile tears if we started planting bases in their districts.

[Smitty-48]

BMD is a system of systems, you got your fixed Aegis Shore, your land based mobile THAADS, then Aegis Afloat as the inbounds cross the sea, with GMD from Alaska as the only North American based system.

[Otern]

What about radars? I could see the benefit for the US having a bunch of radars far north in Canada, to more accurately predict the trajectory of the Russian ICBMs. Makes sense from an alliance point of view, but not as much from a Canadian self preservation point of view.

The Americans are investing in more sea based radar like the AMDR, the way BMD works is that you need a network of launch platforms, because the incoming missiles are flying so fast in orbit, the radar on each platform will only have a tiny window to shoot, so the Americans want the radars further out from the CONUS, by the time the incoming is over the CONUS, it's too late.

Yeah, that's why we got five (now four) aegis frigates. But I'm thinking more about the final stage. It would make sense to have radars in Canada, as most of the decoys would not be effective entering the atmosphere. The sea based systems make a lot more sense for the mid course phase, but Canadian cooperation looks crucial for the terminal phase.

Basically, the sea based systems will not be able to target MIRVs, along with the decoys, so it's necessary with some Canadian redundancy now that the ABM treaty has been dead for almost twenty years.

[Smitty-48]

BMD is a long way from being able to blunt a strategic attack, BMD is just for theater thermonuclear war at this juncture, fights in the Baltic, Barents and Black Sea etcetera.

[Speaker to Animals]

The best early warning systems are orbital. You can detect them at launch. That's why we have to call each other before we launch rockets.

[Smitty-48]

SBIRS only detects the launch, it doesn't track the missiles throughout the flight, just gives you a launch detection and estimated track based on the early boost phase trajectory.

To track missiles in flight, you employ a network of radars.

AN/TPY-2 from the THAADS, and AN/SPY-6 AMDR from Aegis Ashore and Afloat.