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Nullification

Post by Fife » Wed Nov 07, 2018 7:35 am

My new project is nullification.

Nullification now, nullification tomorrow, nullification forever.

Federal Judge Advocates Jury Nullification After Being Shocked by Overzealous Child Pornography Prosecution
"This is a shocking case. This is a case that calls for jury nullification."

Many have had similar reactions when confronting cases involving authorities running roughshod over people with bad laws, punitive sentences, and ill-considered prosecutions. But this time, the person invoking jury nullification was a federal judge—District Judge Stefan R. Underhill of the District of Connecticut—and he spoke in court about a case over which he presided.

The prosecution that shocked Underhill involves Yehudi Manzano, a 30-something man charged with producing and transporting child pornography after saving, and then deleting, a video of his teenage sex partner to and from his own phone and its associated Google cloud account. "The only people who ever saw it were the guy who made it, the girl who was in it, and the federal agents," Norman Pattis, Manzano's attorney, told me.

But that, prosecutors say in the indictment, was enough for the federal government to proceed with charges under the assumption that Manzano acted "knowing and having reason to know that: such visual depiction would be transported and transmitted using any means and facility of interstate and foreign commerce." And that's important, because the mandatory minimum sentence under federal law for recording video of sex with an underage partner is 15 years.

That draconian sentence—independent of what was in store in the entirely separate state trial for sex with a minor—was too much for Judge Underhill. "I am absolutely stunned that this case, with a 15-year mandatory minimum, has been brought by the government," he said in court. "I am going to be allowed no discretion at sentencing to consider the seriousness of this conduct, and it is extremely unfortunate that the power of the government has been used in this way, to what end I'm not sure."

Judge Underhill acknowledged that he's not allowed to encourage jury nullification, but "if evidence comes in about the length of the sentence, or if Mr. Pattis chooses to argue, I do not feel I can preclude that. I don't feel I'm required to preclude that. And I think justice requires that I permit that."

The judge's appeal to jury nullification as a remedy for runaway prosecution didn't come out of the blue. Defense counsel and prosecutors had already sparred over the case's rather tenuous connection to interstate commerce, by which the federal government claimed jurisdiction.

"Apparently, the mere fact that the recording equipment was manufactured outside Connecticut is sufficient to meet the interstate commerce requirement of the statute," Judge Underhill noted in surprise. They also tussled over the extent to which jurors should be informed of the long years in prison that awaited Manzano upon conviction.

"Juries exist for a reason," Pattis argued in court. "They stand between the government and the accused, and they provide the accused with an opportunity to hold the government to its burden of proof. And in certain trials in our history, juries have done more than that. They've said the law is wrong, and we, the people, say it's wrong."

In response to that, Neeraj N. Patel bluntly told the court on behalf of the U.S. Attorney's office, "you should take steps to prevent jury nullification and not inform the jury of the sentencing consequences."

Normally, that's where the matter would have remained. Judges don't generally want jurors told they can pull the plug on a prosecution because they don't like the law or the possible sentence. They're generally not permitted to inform juries about nullification, and they're discouraged from informing juries about the consequences in store for convicted defendants.

However, that doesn't mean judges must ban all discussion of jury nullification and sentencing from trials. And occasionally you run across one who is horrified by what prosecutors have in mind. That's why Pattis, who passionately believes in the right to nullification, keeps arguing for a principle that generally gets shot down in court. And last week, he found a judge sympathetic with his arguments.

The U.S. Attorney's Office for the District of Connecticut declined to comment on this case, but did provide me with a copy of the emergency motion it filed seeking a stay in the trial. Prosecutors want time to get a higher court to prevent Judge Underhill from allowing Manzano's defense counsel to inform jurors of the potential sentence and argue for jury nullification.

"To the extent the Court's rulings allow Mr. Manzano to make argument and elicit evidence that invites jury nullification, the Government seeks mandamus to have the Court preclude such argument and evidence," prosecutors warn. "Finally, the Government may seek mandamus to have the Court instruct the jurors that they have a duty to convict if it finds the Government has proven Mr. Manzano's guilty beyond a reasonable doubt, regardless of the sentencing consequences," they add.

At the subsequent hearing, Judge Underhill denied that he'd issued any order that would justify mandamus in the case, and emphasized that he intended to instruct jurors to disregard their own feelings about the law or the sentence. But he also added, "if Mr. Pattis is not allowed to argue jury nullification, in my view there is a risk of a Sixth Amendment violation here." His intent, it seems, is to allow the jury to navigate their own way between his instructions and any twinges of conscience drawn out by information presented to them by Manzano's attorney. Nevertheless, he granted the government's motion for a stay and dismissed the jury.

Whether the jurors who ultimately decide Manzano's fate in this case are fully informed about the consequences of their decision or their power in the court is up in the air. We know that at least one federal judge wants them to have that knowledge—and for good reason, I'd argue.

"We have a country coming apart at the seams and we're worried about the legitimacy of institutions. Under the circumstances, why wouldn't you empower juries?" Pattis said to me during our discussion of the case.

Why wouldn't you, indeed. At a moment when Americans harbor near-historic levels of distrust in government, it just makes good sense to let jurors know about their already established power to exercise discretion over bad laws and ill-considered prosecutions.
More to come.

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Re: Nullification

Post by Zlaxer » Wed Nov 07, 2018 8:21 am

Fife wrote:
Wed Nov 07, 2018 7:35 am
My new project is nullification.

Nullification now, nullification tomorrow, nullification forever.

Federal Judge Advocates Jury Nullification After Being Shocked by Overzealous Child Pornography Prosecution
"This is a shocking case. This is a case that calls for jury nullification."


"Apparently, the mere fact that the recording equipment was manufactured outside Connecticut is sufficient to meet the interstate commerce requirement of the statute," Judge Underhill noted in surprise.

I've been in front of Underhill several times....he's right - he needs to kill this or else we enter "scary land".

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Re: Nullification

Post by Zlaxer » Wed Nov 07, 2018 8:32 am

Here's the thing Fife - what's the lesser evil:

1) encouraging other judges to go rogue and say fuck all to juries (and the constitutional right); or

2) allowing G to continue with its abuse of power (and violate the 4th and many other)?
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Re: Nullification

Post by heydaralon » Wed Nov 07, 2018 8:37 am

Judge Joe Brown would put a stop to all this horseshit in a heart beat. He can be a bit of a hard ass, but he runs his courtroom right and all of his decisions are binding. Even his bailiff has a great legal mind.
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Re: Nullification

Post by Fife » Mon Nov 12, 2018 9:29 am

Podcast Episode 92: Nullification and Consent
How do we measure political consent and what does consent have to do with nullification? These are important questions and in order to find the answers we have to travel to the American colonial experience and the Era of Salutary Neglect and the twenty years before the American War for Independence. I give a history of nullification and discuss consent in this episode of The Brion McClanahan Show.

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Re: Nullification

Post by Fife » Thu Nov 15, 2018 7:13 am

The Wilsonians won't give up easy, Tom. Quite the contrary.

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Re: Nullification

Post by Hanarchy Montanarchy » Thu Nov 15, 2018 7:48 am

That was 5 years out from Marbury. Cut them old boys o' 78 some slack, already.
HAIL!

Her needs America so they won't just take his shit away like in some pussy non gun totting countries can happen.
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Re: Nullification

Post by heydaralon » Thu Nov 15, 2018 8:05 am

Looks like you folks are in need of a quick crash course in how the courts work. Buck V. Bell clearly established that sterilization is in order for those who are intellectually disabled. Since the government's decisions are the only law that matters, the idea of nullifying them would mean that you are mentally deficient for even questioning them and thus should be sterilized.

Those who second guess the government, who attempt to remove laws benefitting the public good, are "manifestly unfit from continuing their kind."
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Re: Nullification

Post by MilSpecs » Thu Nov 15, 2018 1:10 pm

What are the sentencing guidelines under CT law for child pornography?
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Re: Nullification

Post by Fife » Wed Jan 23, 2019 6:05 am

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