Did the the race talk debate start happenning more often since we know how many white ethno staters we have?

[Hwen Hoshino]

Do we have more of it even in threads that have jack to do with it?

[StCapps]

Still mad you can't win that argument eh?

[Speaker to Animals]

Weird that so many people don't want to be made minorities in their own countries. Strange how that works.

[StCapps]

Weird that so many people don't want to be made minorities in their own countries. Strange how that works.

They aren't arguing that though, they arguing past that, they are arguing that any White Ethno State is inherently a bad thing, even though the definition of ethnostate is quite neutral, because their imaginations are really limited and they'd prefer to argue against an idiotic position, those are the only goalposts they feel confident of scoring on.

This allows them to delude themselves into thinking they are actually winning the thread, even when that's the farthest thing from the truth. They honestly believe they won the argument, so keep digging the hole deeper and deeper, because they think of that as winning.

[Speaker to Animals]

Weird that so many people don't want to be made minorities in their own countries. Strange how that works.

They aren't arguing that though, they are arguing that any White Ethno State is an inherently a bad thing, because their imaginations are really limited and they'd prefer to argue against an idiotic position. This allows them to delude themselves into thinking they are actually winning the thread, even when that's the farthest thing from the truth.

Knock down one more domino from "white ethno states are inherently bad" and you get us being made minorities. If white nations are inherently evil, then the moral imperative would be to eradicate them through invasion or open borders.

They know they cannot defend it so the only thing they can do is try as hard as they can to paint any detractor as a Nazi. Thus, wanting an immigration policy that doesn't give us the net result of a fucking military conquest is equivalent to hating nonwhites and wanting a Fourth Reich. There's no middle ground with them because there can't be. Their position is totally untenable and indefensible.

[StCapps]

Knock down one more domino from "white ethno states are inherently bad" and you get us being made minorities. If white nations are inherently evil, then the moral imperative would be to eradicate them through invasion or open borders.

They know they cannot defend it so the only thing they can do is try as hard as they can to paint any detractor as a Nazi. Thus, wanting an immigration policy that doesn't give us the net result of a fucking military conquest is equivalent to hating nonwhites and wanting a Fourth Reich. There's no middle ground with them because there can't be. Their position is totally untenable and indefensible.

Well GCF was making the argument that Israel, Japan, and Quebec are dystopia's for the minorities living there, because he's the biggest idiot of the bunch and can only see the Sky Falling when he thinks of the term, but I wouldn't lump the rest of folks in with that particularily stupid argument of his, most haven't gone quite that far, yet.

Problem is the term "ethnostate" seems to trigger folks on this forum, to the point where they cannot argue in good faith.

[Speaker to Animals]

Knock down one more domino from "white ethno states are inherently bad" and you get us being made minorities. If white nations are inherently evil, then the moral imperative would be to eradicate them through invasion or open borders.

They know they cannot defend it so the only thing they can do is try as hard as they can to paint any detractor as a Nazi. Thus, wanting an immigration policy that doesn't give us the net result of a fucking military conquest is equivalent to hating nonwhites and wanting a Fourth Reich. There's no middle ground with them because there can't be. Their position is totally untenable and indefensible.

Well GCF was making the argument that Israel, Japan and Quebec are dystopia's for the minorities living there, because he's the biggest idiot of the bunch, but I wouldn't lump the rest of folks in with that stupid argument of his, they haven't gone that far, yet.

I think it's a completely irrelevant point to begin with, whether or not it's true that it is so.

Certainly, in the United States until about the 1980s, it absolutely sucked to be a minority. It's never good to be a minority. That's the part that blows my mind about their cognitive dissonance. They constantly signal how bad minorities have it, and then they try to tell us it's going to be fantastic when whites are made a minority.

And you know that, instead of realizing the contradiction, their response is almost always going to be along the lines of accusing me of supporting all the horrible things that happened to minorities in the past. Cultural Marxism is enforced through emotion and social shaming. It can't possibly be defended intellectually. If you oppose feminism, then you must hate women. If you oppose being made a minority in your own country, then you must hate black people. That's how they operate.

[StCapps]

And you know that, instead of realizing the contradiction, their response is almost always going to be along the lines of accusing me of supporting all the horrible things that happened to minorities in the past. Cultural Marxism is enforced through emotion and social shaming. It can't possibly be defended intellectually. If you oppose feminism, then you must hate women. If you oppose being made a minority in your own country, then you must hate black people. That's how they operate.

They don't defend it intellectually, the defend it emotionally, they are triggered by a neutral term into seeing only the negative in that term. Like with the term discrimination, they view that as an inherently negative term, even though it's a neutral term, same-same with ethnostate.

Them seeing only the negative in those terms is a result of their confirmation bias, not the dictionary definition of the word leading them to that conclusion, they read "in between the lines" through emotional eyes and put words in the mouths of those who disagree, to deal with their cognitive dissonance by projecting it onto others.

[Speaker to Animals]

The thing is, I don't even think what I argued for would even be considered an "ethno-state" by any real ethno-nationalist groups out there. Just wanting to maintain a white majority with relatively large minorities of immigrant groups from the nonwestern world is a far cry from the Fourth Reich. We are talking about the United States demographics until the past ten years. Was America in 1992 an evil Fourth Reich?

It's just fucking crazy how propagandized people have become, and how terrified they are of even considering the forbidden ideas. 1984 was for real.

[Speaker to Animals]

Part of the problem is that I need to start thinking of most of these people as victims of ideological subversion rather than committed opponents. There certainly exist people committed to destroying our civilization, which includes making whites in the western world a minority. But most of these people we deal with here are simply programmed by decades of television, film, and other media constantly reinforcing cultural Marxism. The goal probably should shift more towards undoing the programming than debating them. I am unsure how to do that, though.

Reaching out to the liberals probably is a good tactic since they too need to oppose cultural marxism if their Enlightenment project is to continue.