Pro socilaist movies...

[Hwen Hoshino]

Talking to non progressives, people against socialism.

Are you automatically more forgiving toward one if it's set in a place outside of the Western world? I know i kinda am. I loved Tepepa.

[SuburbanFarmer]

Star Trek was awesome before JJ "Fuck You" Abrams got his slime in them.

[Hwen Hoshino]

Star Trek was awesome before JJ "Fuck You" Abrams got his slime in them.

Early TNG sucked balls, so did most of Voyager and Enterprise. What are you talking about?

[SuburbanFarmer]

Star Trek was awesome before JJ "Fuck You" Abrams got his slime in them.

Early TNG sucked balls, so did most of Voyager and Enterprise. What are you talking about?

The first season of each show was pretty bad, but they got legs after that.

Abrams turned Star Trek into Explosions: The Movie. #notmystartrek.

[Hwen Hoshino]

Star Trek was awesome before JJ "Fuck You" Abrams got his slime in them.

Early TNG sucked balls, so did most of Voyager and Enterprise. What are you talking about?

The first season of each show was pretty bad, but they got legs after that.

Abrams turned Star Trek into Explosions: The Movie. #notmystartrek.

Just the first season? It's way more than that. Wasn't there a ton of bad filler even in the good seasons of the good shows?

Well fuck you, they got a trilogy out of that and you cannot do shit about it.

[Speaker to Animals]

Star Trek was awesome before JJ "Fuck You" Abrams got his slime in them.

That was a fulfillment of the franchise, really. He took the Star Trek marxist woo woo to it's final conclusion.

I generally ambivalent about Star Trek, but I did very much like Enterprise, which I guess most trekkie fags hate, which makes sense. Wrath of Khan was incredible.

I would be more interesting in a mini-series that is based around a war. You'd have to go back to the beginning of the franchise's timeline to make it interesting without all the space fantasy stuff. But a true military SF version of Star Trek would be interesting. For instance, they could go to the war between the humans and the augments that was eluded to with all the backstory of Khan. That would give you some space combat at least in Sol system, with lots of space marines and battles on the Earth's surface.

[SuburbanFarmer]

Star Trek was awesome before JJ "Fuck You" Abrams got his slime in them.

That was a fulfillment of the franchise, really. He took the Star Trek marxist woo woo to it's final conclusion.

I generally ambivalent about Star Trek, but I did very much like Enterprise, which I guess most trekkie fags hate, which makes sense. Wrath of Khan was incredible.

I would be more interesting in a mini-series that is based around a war. You'd have to go back to the beginning of the franchise's timeline to make it interesting without all the space fantasy stuff. But a true military SF version of Star Trek would be interesting. For instance, they could go to the war between the humans and the augments that was eluded to with all the backstory of Khan. That would give you some space combat at least in Sol system, with lots of space marines and battles on the Earth's surface.

soooooooooo..... Star Wars.

[Speaker to Animals]

Star Trek was awesome before JJ "Fuck You" Abrams got his slime in them.

That was a fulfillment of the franchise, really. He took the Star Trek marxist woo woo to it's final conclusion.

I generally ambivalent about Star Trek, but I did very much like Enterprise, which I guess most trekkie fags hate, which makes sense. Wrath of Khan was incredible.

I would be more interesting in a mini-series that is based around a war. You'd have to go back to the beginning of the franchise's timeline to make it interesting without all the space fantasy stuff. But a true military SF version of Star Trek would be interesting. For instance, they could go to the war between the humans and the augments that was eluded to with all the backstory of Khan. That would give you some space combat at least in Sol system, with lots of space marines and battles on the Earth's surface.

soooooooooo..... Star Wars.

Eh. Star Wars is pretty shitty too. I meant something that was actual military SF. Both Star Wars and Star Trek are not even science fiction. Those are fantasies set in space. Science fiction attempts to present technologies and events that are scientifically plausible, and where they don't, they will leave it a mystery rather than making up a lot of nonsense words like "war field flux matrix". Making up silly words is a fantasy thing (I cast Tasha's Hideous Laughter on that little goblin so that he laughed uncontrollably as I cast him through the portal to the Abyss to land at the feet where Tiamet remains chained). That's fantasy. I am talking about real science fiction.

True military SF on television would be BSG, like it or love it. The stuff like FTL they didn't even bother to explain, and the other things they went into great detail to make plausible (like what happens when somebody gets briefly exposed to space). There was no warp field tachyon pulse nonsense in that series. Fake, meaningless jargon is considered lazy and a deal-breaker in SF. It's the laziest form of writing.

[SuburbanFarmer]

That was a fulfillment of the franchise, really. He took the Star Trek marxist woo woo to it's final conclusion.

I generally ambivalent about Star Trek, but I did very much like Enterprise, which I guess most trekkie fags hate, which makes sense. Wrath of Khan was incredible.

I would be more interesting in a mini-series that is based around a war. You'd have to go back to the beginning of the franchise's timeline to make it interesting without all the space fantasy stuff. But a true military SF version of Star Trek would be interesting. For instance, they could go to the war between the humans and the augments that was eluded to with all the backstory of Khan. That would give you some space combat at least in Sol system, with lots of space marines and battles on the Earth's surface.

soooooooooo..... Star Wars.

Eh. Star Wars is pretty shitty too. I meant something that was actual military SF. Both Star Wars and Star Trek are not even science fiction. Those are fantasies set in space. Science fiction attempts to present technologies and events that are scientifically plausible, and where they don't, they will leave it a mystery rather than making up a lot of nonsense words like "war field flux matrix". Making up silly words is a fantasy thing (I cast Tasha's Hideous Laughter on that little goblin so that he laughed uncontrollably as I cast him through the portal to the Abyss to land at the feet where Tiamet remains chained). That's fantasy. I am talking about real science fiction.

True military SF on television would be BSG, like it or love it. The stuff like FTL they didn't even bother to explain, and the other things they went into great detail to make plausible (like what happens when somebody gets briefly exposed to space).

Great, so enjoy your BSG and Star Wars then, and leave the thinking/dreamy sci-fi to Trekkies.

Btw, you'll have a hard time finding a Trekkie that doesn't name Wrath of Khan as a high point in the entire IP.

[Speaker to Animals]

LMFAO

Star Trek is not science fiction, guy. If you showed up at a real SF con with that, they'd laugh at you before having you escorted from the building. You need to go to a comic book or star trek convention to pretend like you enjoy real SF.