Foggies, tell me about the word cool

Hwen Hoshino
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Foggies, tell me about the word cool

Post by Hwen Hoshino » Sat Jun 24, 2017 4:53 am

When cool came into the scene did it mean something more detached, above it's surroundings and now it means anything that is good or nice?

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Re: Foggies, tell me about the word cool

Post by TheReal_ND » Sat Jun 24, 2017 5:53 am

https://english.stackexchange.com/quest ... -come-from

The Oxford English Dictionary writes:

Originally in African-American usage: (as a general term of approval) admirable, excellent. Cf. hot adj. 12c. Popularized among jazz musicians and enthusiasts in the late 1940s
The first example they give is from the 1930s:

1933 Z. N. Hurston in Story Aug. 63 And whut make it so cool, he got money 'cumulated. And womens give it all to 'im.
The entry refers to hot as a comparison--the main entry is "Characterized by intensity or energy, in a positive or neutral sense (cf. sense A. 9); exciting, fast, successful, etc." and the related sense is:

colloq. (orig. U.S.). Extremely good, splendid; very skilled, knowledgeable, or successful. Also with on and a specified subject or activity.
This is first noted from the 1800s:

1845 in G. W. Harris High Times & Hard Times (1967) 52, I am a hot hand at the location of capital letters and punctuation.
So, it looks like cool developed to mean the same thing as the earlier slang hot in African American English. There is no explanation of why this occurred.

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Re: Foggies, tell me about the word cool

Post by Ph64 » Sat Jun 24, 2017 9:32 pm

TheReal_ND wrote: So, it looks like cool developed to mean the same thing as the earlier slang hot in African American English. There is no explanation of why this occurred.
If I said Hwen's shades made him look "hot" I'd sound gay, but saying he looks "cool" it doesn't. :D

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Re: Foggies, tell me about the word cool

Post by Hwen Hoshino » Sun Jun 25, 2017 2:08 am

Ph64 wrote:
TheReal_ND wrote: So, it looks like cool developed to mean the same thing as the earlier slang hot in African American English. There is no explanation of why this occurred.
If I said Hwen's shades made him look "hot" I'd sound gay, but saying he looks "cool" it doesn't. :D
What about now? Cool or hot?