Preparing for Uncertainty and Self Reliance

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Re: Preparing for Uncertainty and Self Reliance

Post by TheReal_ND » Tue Jun 18, 2019 7:14 pm

brewster wrote:
Tue Jun 18, 2019 7:05 pm
Speaker to Animals wrote:
Tue Jun 18, 2019 3:30 pm
Slight problemo: the army is mostly southrons.
According to Heritage.org it's 40%, not a "mostly" by any means.
https://www.heritage.org/defense/report ... d-officers
Their references in that article aren't too good. Of the six links provided four of them 404, two of which are themesleves, and the other two take me to a homepage to download something.

That said, I think it's incorrect to state that the majority are Southerners. The bulk are from Texas and California and combat infantry are overwhelmingly of southern extraction.

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Re: Preparing for Uncertainty and Self Reliance

Post by brewster » Tue Jun 18, 2019 8:12 pm

TheReal_ND wrote:
Tue Jun 18, 2019 7:14 pm
brewster wrote:
Tue Jun 18, 2019 7:05 pm
Speaker to Animals wrote:
Tue Jun 18, 2019 3:30 pm
Slight problemo: the army is mostly southrons.
According to Heritage.org it's 40%, not a "mostly" by any means.
https://www.heritage.org/defense/report ... d-officers
Their references in that article aren't too good. Of the six links provided four of them 404, two of which are themesleves, and the other two take me to a homepage to download something.

That said, I think it's incorrect to state that the majority are Southerners. The bulk are from Texas and California and combat infantry are overwhelmingly of southern extraction.
Shit, I can't even pander to you with a Heritage citation! There are no facts any more. :(
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Re: Preparing for Uncertainty and Self Reliance

Post by TheReal_ND » Tue Jun 18, 2019 8:23 pm

The numbers aren't an accurate reflection anyway. There is a culture of serving in the armed forces amongst southrons. The numbers they put on the board won't start to accurately reflect this until they become an actual minority. And that's supposing that they don't queer the military up beyond repair before that happens.

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Re: Preparing for Uncertainty and Self Reliance

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Re: Preparing for Uncertainty and Self Reliance

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Re: Preparing for Uncertainty and Self Reliance

Post by Speaker to Animals » Wed Jun 26, 2019 8:19 am

This is the way to go if you can lay out the initial capital.



Even scaling that down by half or more, you can easily produce most of your vegetables year-round.

you can buy really cheap, mostly useless land and plant something like that to produce food no problem. You have to figure out how to get the initial amount of water in there, and then find a way to fill up periodically, so siting it next to a creek or river is a good idea.

Good talk about how the guy who made this company got started, and how you might start small and scale-up into a commercial operation.

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Re: Preparing for Uncertainty and Self Reliance

Post by brewster » Wed Jun 26, 2019 8:25 am

Speaker to Animals wrote:
Wed Jun 26, 2019 8:19 am
This is the way to go if you can lay out the initial capital.



Even scaling that down by half or more, you can easily produce most of your vegetables year-round.

you can buy really cheap, mostly useless land and plant something like that to produce food no problem. You have to figure out how to get the initial amount of water in there, and then find a way to fill up periodically, so siting it next to a creek or river is a good idea.
That might make sense for weed, but show us the numbers for how expensive broccoli would have to get for that to break even. That takes a fair amount of electricity for the fans and pumps too, not to mention buying water soluble nutrients.
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Re: Preparing for Uncertainty and Self Reliance

Post by Speaker to Animals » Wed Jun 26, 2019 8:32 am

brewster wrote:
Wed Jun 26, 2019 8:25 am
Speaker to Animals wrote:
Wed Jun 26, 2019 8:19 am
This is the way to go if you can lay out the initial capital.



Even scaling that down by half or more, you can easily produce most of your vegetables year-round.

you can buy really cheap, mostly useless land and plant something like that to produce food no problem. You have to figure out how to get the initial amount of water in there, and then find a way to fill up periodically, so siting it next to a creek or river is a good idea.
That might make sense for weed, but show us the numbers for how expensive broccoli would have to get for that to break even. That takes a fair amount of electricity for the fans and pumps too, not to mention buying water soluble nutrients.

Aquaponics is actually cheaper in energy than growing in a field. A lot less water use too.

You only need to run pumps and maybe some LED lights.

You grow year-round and the yields from aquaponics are the highest you can possibly get. A head of lettuce can mature in about a month with one of those systems compared to three months in a high tunnel environment.

There are essentially two paths for food production. The industrial one, for most vegetables (though perhaps not grains), is terrible. Between the really high-tech indoor systems like this and the shitty industrial farms is intensive farming, which is already generally profitable at the local level.

One cool thing about aquaponics is that the only inputs are a little water to make up for losses from evaporation, and fish food. No fertilizers. No pesticides. Not even any need for soil remediations.


You can also offset the small energy costs with solar and/or wind generators, if you think the numbers justify the initial outlays. It's also possible to use the rest of your land to grow the fish food, making this entire operation completely self-sufficient.

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Re: Preparing for Uncertainty and Self Reliance

Post by Speaker to Animals » Wed Jun 26, 2019 8:40 am

Just in terms of prepping, and not worrying too much about the costs to an individual family, you could potentially create a co-op with other preppers to buy some property, lay down a large green house powered by solar and wind, and maybe backed up with propane generators. Install an aquaponics system like this (but all plastic, fuck that bamboo bullshit). Use a few acres to grow fish food and perhaps get into some vermiculture to both make vermi compost and generate worms to help feed the fish. Use a few more acres for wheat, oats, etc. Then maybe setup some pasture for goats and cattle, and a few paddocks for pigs (also fed by the feed you grow yourselves).

That's not the most profitable way to farm by any stretch, but it's completely self-sufficient. You can run that shit like a medieval plantation, insular and protected from outside disruptions.

It's time for us (not urbanites, you shouldn't even post in this thread, lmfao) to start thinking in terms of futuristic medieval systems. Think in terms of creating manors in the form of cooperative communities that are entirely insulated from the outside world.

Civilization is on the decline. We need to start thinking in completely different paradigms here. More community-based; less centralized, and definitely anti-urban.

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Re: Preparing for Uncertainty and Self Reliance

Post by C-Mag » Wed Jun 26, 2019 11:11 am

It's been tried. The Citadel in Idaho. Still spinning it's wheels
https://talkingpointsmemo.com/muckraker ... he-citadel

https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/The_Citadel

You should start one in your area.
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