WWII Equipment - Vics, Aircraft and Kit

[Speaker to Animals]

Fuck sake stop flying these things for no good reason.

[C-Mag]

HIgh price tour bus.

They should restrict them to perfect weather.

Nine 0 Nine hit the de-icing building. Early this morning. SWAG-Probably had frost on the run way.

[Speaker to Animals]

As long as they are air worthy and the owners want to fly them, we shouldn't restrict them. But some common fucking sense is in order when you are talking about museum pieces that are literally a last vestige of the most important war in American history. Every flight is a loss because I guarantee you that every single time shit breaks and needs replacement. Eventually you won't be able to fix the cracks and other issues in the airframe and you will have to do a major overhaul. It won't be a museum piece after a while. You will have replaced almost everything.



That bird is gone now along with everybody on board.

[Montegriffo]

It might be restored.

There are 39 B17 left in the US. 9 still flying (after today)
You currently have 11 under restoration including 3 being restored to airworthiness.


We have 3 of which 1 is airworthy.


https://www.airplanesofthepast.com/b17- ... rcraft.htm

[C-Mag]

It might be restored.

There are 39 B17 left in the US. 9 still flying (after today)
You currently have 11 under restoration including 3 being restored to airworthiness.


We have 3 of which 1 is airworthy.


https://www.airplanesofthepast.com/b17- ... rcraft.htm

I didn't realize there were that many..... sad to see any of them go, sucks it took 13 with it.

Our press probably won't show pics of it...………. all those swastikas ya know.

[Speaker to Animals]

It might be restored.

There are 39 B17 left in the US. 9 still flying (after today)
You currently have 11 under restoration including 3 being restored to airworthiness.


We have 3 of which 1 is airworthy.


https://www.airplanesofthepast.com/b17- ... rcraft.htm

The problem lies in what "restored" means.

[Montegriffo]

Harder to restore the people that's for sure.
You're going to deprive a lot of people of the pleasure of flying in one if you get too precious about them though.
I'd love a flight in one of our 2 seater Spitfires but at around £3000 a go it's a bit steep for me.

[Montegriffo]

It might be restored.

There are 39 B17 left in the US. 9 still flying (after today)
You currently have 11 under restoration including 3 being restored to airworthiness.


We have 3 of which 1 is airworthy.


https://www.airplanesofthepast.com/b17- ... rcraft.htm

The problem lies in what "restored" means.

Restored as a static display probably.
All 46 planes left in the world could fly again if you had the money.
There's probably a few yet to be discovered as well.

Somewhere in Burma there are a bunch of Spitfires which were greased up, put in crates and buried during the war to prevent them falling into enemy hands (according to an American from a construction battalion). No one's managed to find them yet though.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... earch.html

[Speaker to Animals]

It might be restored.

There are 39 B17 left in the US. 9 still flying (after today)
You currently have 11 under restoration including 3 being restored to airworthiness.


We have 3 of which 1 is airworthy.


https://www.airplanesofthepast.com/b17- ... rcraft.htm

The problem lies in what "restored" means.

Restored as a static display probably.
All 46 planes left in the world could fly again if you had the money.
There's probably a few yet to be discovered as well.

Somewhere in Burma there are a bunch of Spitfires which were greased up, put in crates and buried during the war to prevent them falling into enemy hands (according to an American from a construction battalion). No one's managed to find them yet though.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... earch.html

No, I mean restored using what parts and materials? The more you fly something like that, the more you are fabricating parts. These guys usually try to sell it by saying they used original equipment to replace everything, but that equipment has subcomponents that need to be replaced periodically. The airframe itself has a lifespan and requires new material, which is new aluminum, etc. Every flight hour puts stress on the aircraft and every flight breaks something.

You end up with just a replica with maybe a few original components if you keep doing that decade after decade. These things are eighty years old already. Time to start thinking about museums. We can build replicas to fly, and fly them much more safely.

[Montegriffo]

The problem lies in what "restored" means.

Restored as a static display probably.
All 46 planes left in the world could fly again if you had the money.
There's probably a few yet to be discovered as well.

Somewhere in Burma there are a bunch of Spitfires which were greased up, put in crates and buried during the war to prevent them falling into enemy hands (according to an American from a construction battalion). No one's managed to find them yet though.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... earch.html

No, I mean restored using what parts and materials? The more you fly something like that, the more you are fabricating parts. These guys usually try to sell it by saying they used original equipment to replace everything, but that equipment has subcomponents that need to be replaced periodically. The airframe itself has a lifespan and requires new material, which is new aluminum, etc. Every flight hour puts stress on the aircraft and every flight breaks something.

You end up with just a replica with maybe a few original components if you keep doing that decade after decade. These things are eighty years old already. Time to start thinking about museums. We can build replicas to fly, and fly them much more safely.

There's no shortage of originals in static displays though.
I think there are only 2 or 3 mk1 Spits left from the BoB and only one of them still flys. It's part of the memorial flight with the last flying Lancaster and a Hurricane. Probably only gets airborne a couple of times a year. I agree that it would be a shame if it crashed but I think it would be more of a shame if it never flew again.