2nd Amendment Thread

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Re: 2nd Amendment Thread

Post by C-Mag » Thu Jul 18, 2019 3:28 am

Montegriffo wrote:
Wed Jul 17, 2019 5:07 pm
The second amendment states: "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

Those words were adopted in 1791 and have since inspired other countries around the world to provide their citizens with the right to own guns. Only 15 constitutions (in nine countries) "ever included an explicit right to bear arms," according to The New York Times.

They are Bolivia, Costa Rica, Colombia, Honduras, Nicaragua, Liberia, Guatemala, Mexico, and the US. All of those countries, excluding Mexico, the US, and Guatemala, have since rescinded the constitutional right to bear arms.
https://www.businessinsider.com/2nd-ame ... d-states-3
It is the ultimate Liberty.
A government sharing the use of force with average persons.

It is also a great responsibility. If not cherished and maintained will be quickly taken from you.

As you point out above. The United States of America stands out amongst all other countries. Many have tried to emulate us. Some suceed for a while, but ultimately fail.

We cherish the right to keep and bear arms so greatly, we have more than one firearm per person in our country. No other country is even close. The numbers bear out quite well that the presence of guns does not make a culture more dangerous for its citizens, there are many factors.

Civilian ownership of firearms by Nation, number of firearms per person
Top 5
U S A = 1.2
Falklands = 0.6
Yemen = 0.5
New Caledonia = 0.4
Montenegro = 0.4
The UK is near the bottom of the list 0.05

I'll have to do the numbers sometime, but it's pretty clear to see that if you factored in the number of firearms into the number of firearms deaths, the US would likely have a very low rate. Ergo, the availibility of the tool is not the greatest factor in violent crime.

It doesn't surprise me that the United Kingdom has such a dim view of private ownership of firearms. Afterall, they lost the greatest gem in the world because of private gun ownership 240 years ago. They'd be stupid to make that mistake again. However, when the crown needed saving a mere 80 years ago your government allowed civilians to take up arms 'in every country, in every town and every village'. Both the US government and US civilians came to your aid. My own grandfather sent to England a 30-30 Winchester Rifle, a pistol and ammunition for your home defense. Once the threat to the Crown was gone, those weapons were rounded up an destroyed by your government. Makes me wonder why we sent them. Because it wasn't about protecting the British people who had no respect for Liberty, it was about protecting the British Crown.

People who do not cherish will lose it.

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Ownership numbers https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_ownership I would also state that these estimates IMO are at least 50% short of actual numbers for the US. I would estimate US civilian gun ownership at 1.4 to 1.8 per person.

The Send a Gun to Defend a British Home! Program in 1940 put US government and Civilian firearms into the hands of British Commoners. https://www.forgottenweapons.com/vintag ... tish-home/
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Re: 2nd Amendment Thread

Post by StCapps » Thu Jul 18, 2019 3:32 am

Montegriffo wrote:
Thu Jul 18, 2019 3:17 am
So how's that wall coming along?
That's what the representative govt in the US was chosen to provide after all.

Of course, everyone thought God Emperor was a joke to wind up "lefties".
Except the Donald.
The Wall was a visual metaphor for greater border security. Trump is the master of winding up lefties.
*yip*

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Re: 2nd Amendment Thread

Post by Speaker to Animals » Thu Jul 18, 2019 4:41 am

The history of the British Empire since the American Revolution has been a tale of a nation learning the wrong lessons from their many losses.

Americans kicked their asses because of private gun ownership; Britain bans gun ownership.

Indians shamed them into giving up their control of India; Britain just emulates the weaponized compassion and turns it against themselves.

One can likely fill out a long list. There is just something about the genetic character of the folks our ancestors left behind that predisposes them to this type of shit.

The three great waves of American colonization from Britain might also serve as a prescient example of a genetic division of a people not unlike what we need to do in America today.

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Re: 2nd Amendment Thread

Post by Montegriffo » Thu Jul 18, 2019 5:06 am

C-Mag wrote:
Thu Jul 18, 2019 3:28 am
Montegriffo wrote:
Wed Jul 17, 2019 5:07 pm
The second amendment states: "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

Those words were adopted in 1791 and have since inspired other countries around the world to provide their citizens with the right to own guns. Only 15 constitutions (in nine countries) "ever included an explicit right to bear arms," according to The New York Times.

They are Bolivia, Costa Rica, Colombia, Honduras, Nicaragua, Liberia, Guatemala, Mexico, and the US. All of those countries, excluding Mexico, the US, and Guatemala, have since rescinded the constitutional right to bear arms.
https://www.businessinsider.com/2nd-ame ... d-states-3
It is the ultimate Liberty.
A government sharing the use of force with average persons.

It is also a great responsibility. If not cherished and maintained will be quickly taken from you. don't see much evidence of that. Doesn't seem to matter how high the bodycount is.

As you point out above. The United States of America stands out amongst all other countries. Many have tried to emulate us. Some succeed for a while, but ultimately fail. there's a reason they fail

We cherish the right to keep and bear arms so greatly, we have more than one firearm per person in our country. No other country is even close. The numbers bear out quite well that the presence of guns does not make a culture more dangerous for its citizens, there are many factors.

Civilian ownership of firearms by Nation, number of firearms per person not a good thing see above
Top 5
U S A = 1.2
Falklands = 0.6
Yemen = 0.5
New Caledonia = 0.4
Montenegro = 0.4
The UK is near the bottom of the list 0.05

I'll have to do the numbers sometime, but it's pretty clear to see that if you factored in the number of firearms into the number of firearms deaths, the US would likely have a very low rate. try comparing yourselves to all the other developed countries, a lower gun death rate than Brazil or Somalia is not a great ambition Ergo, the availibility of the tool is not the greatest factor in violent crime.

It doesn't surprise me that the United Kingdom has such a dim view of private ownership of firearms. Afterall, they lost the greatest gem in the world because of private gun ownership 240 years ago. more indifference due to having the real jewel in the crown, India, by 1776 They'd be stupid to make that mistake again. However, when the crown needed saving a mere 80 years ago your government allowed civilians to take up arms 'in every country, in every town and every village'. Both the US government and US civilians came to your aid. My own grandfather sent to England a 30-30 Winchester Rifle, a pistol and ammunition for your home defense. Once the threat to the Crown was gone, those weapons were rounded up an destroyed by your government. Makes me wonder why we sent them. because there was an actual real war going on Because it wasn't about protecting the British people who had no respect for Liberty,oh fuck off with that tired old nonsense it was about protecting the British Crown.

People who do not cherish will lose it.

Notes
Ownership numbers https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_ownership I would also state that these estimates IMO are at least 50% short of actual numbers for the US. I would estimate US civilian gun ownership at 1.4 to 1.8 per person.

The Send a Gun to Defend a British Home! Program in 1940 put US government and Civilian firearms into the hands of British Commoners. https://www.forgottenweapons.com/vintag ... tish-home/
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Re: 2nd Amendment Thread

Post by Fife » Thu Jul 18, 2019 5:24 am

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Post by pineapplemike » Thu Jul 18, 2019 7:45 am

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Re: 2nd Amendment Thread

Post by SuburbanFarmer » Thu Jul 18, 2019 9:10 am

StCapps wrote:
Thu Jul 18, 2019 3:32 am
Montegriffo wrote:
Thu Jul 18, 2019 3:17 am
So how's that wall coming along?
That's what the representative govt in the US was chosen to provide after all.

Of course, everyone thought God Emperor was a joke to wind up "lefties".
Except the Donald.
The Wall was a visual metaphor for greater border security. Trump is the master of winding up lefties.
‘Big beautiful physical wall’ is a metaphor. TDS indeed.
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Re: 2nd Amendment Thread

Post by StCapps » Thu Jul 18, 2019 9:11 am

SuburbanFarmer wrote:
Thu Jul 18, 2019 9:10 am
StCapps wrote:
Thu Jul 18, 2019 3:32 am
Montegriffo wrote:
Thu Jul 18, 2019 3:17 am
So how's that wall coming along?
That's what the representative govt in the US was chosen to provide after all.

Of course, everyone thought God Emperor was a joke to wind up "lefties".
Except the Donald.
The Wall was a visual metaphor for greater border security. Trump is the master of winding up lefties.
‘Big beautiful physical wall’ is a metaphor. TDS indeed.
All language designed to evoke an image that sell better border security.
*yip*

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Re: 2nd Amendment Thread

Post by Montegriffo » Thu Jul 18, 2019 9:14 am

StCapps wrote:
Thu Jul 18, 2019 9:11 am
SuburbanFarmer wrote:
Thu Jul 18, 2019 9:10 am
StCapps wrote:
Thu Jul 18, 2019 3:32 am
The Wall was a visual metaphor for greater border security. Trump is the master of winding up lefties.
‘Big beautiful physical wall’ is a metaphor. TDS indeed.
All language designed to evoke an image that sell better border security.
Is metaphor a euphemism for a lie or a broken promise?
For legal reasons, we are not threatening to destroy U.S. government property with our glorious medieval siege engine. But if we wanted to, we could. But we won’t. But we could.
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Re: 2nd Amendment Thread

Post by StCapps » Thu Jul 18, 2019 9:17 am

Montegriffo wrote:
Thu Jul 18, 2019 9:14 am
StCapps wrote:
Thu Jul 18, 2019 9:11 am
SuburbanFarmer wrote:
Thu Jul 18, 2019 9:10 am


‘Big beautiful physical wall’ is a metaphor. TDS indeed.
All language designed to evoke an image that sell better border security.
Is metaphor a euphemism for lie?
Tunnel visioning on the details instead of the big picture. It's branding, the fine policy details were always open to negotiation. This is how Trump rolls.
*yip*