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Re: The Mess

Post by SuburbanFarmer » Wed Nov 30, 2016 9:03 pm

Smitty-48 wrote:You look at how America defeated the Soviets at sea in the Cold War, nary a shot fired, the threat of the Soviet Navy, was neutralized, and by extension, the threat of the entire Soviet war machine, simply by showing constant presence, the ultimate expression of this was SOSUS and the Submarines, the Soviet submarines were the existential threat, but merely by being constantly on the beat, tracking them wherever they went, being right up behind them in the saddle, the Navy rendered the Soviets impotent, if the Soviet submarines could not get the jump on America, the Soviets had no hope of winning a Third World War, by the Navy being ceaselessly up in their baffles, the cops on the beat nipped things in the bud before they ever reached the point of them having to draw their torpedoes and fire.

This is how your rule the waves, not by fighting for them, simply by ruling them with presence, so that things never escalate to the point of a shoot out in the first place.
Welp, no need to load the guns then. Just launch inflatable aircraft carriers ad infinitum and lower my fucking taxes.

The deal with the Soviets was the same then as it is now - MAD. No matter how many goofy submarine games we played, the equation was never changed.
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Re: The Mess

Post by Smitty-48 » Wed Nov 30, 2016 9:07 pm

Obviously the cop on the beat needs to have his gun and its needs to be loaded, but it doesn't have to be drawn and fired for him to police the beat by showing presence, being aware, and nipping things in the bud before they ever escalate.

MAD, or mutual vulnerability, was entirely related to the domination of the seas and the silent war between the submarines, MAD is only in effect, if their submarines are held in check, the land based ICBM's are the last desperate gambit of nuclear deterrence, the strong deterrent hand, starts up in the saddle behind Crazy Ivan in his baffles, ensuring that the ICBM's on the Great Plains, are a doomsday weapon which never has to answer the bell.
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Re: The Mess

Post by Haumana » Wed Nov 30, 2016 9:08 pm

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Ahhh. Good ole bant.

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Re: The Mess

Post by Paulo » Wed Nov 30, 2016 9:11 pm

GrumpyCatFace wrote:
Smitty-48 wrote:
GrumpyCatFace wrote:Sea power? No such thing, unless you're willing to torpedo enemy shipping - which will never happen in the age of Multinational Conglomocorps.
The opposite is actually the case, 99% of seapower is presence, only 1% is actually using torpedoes.
Meh... we've got 2-10x the naval presence of any other first world nation. It hasn't been useful since Vietnam.

I mean, we could send an attack submarine after some Somali pirates, but it wouldn't change the situation much. Tomahawks looked cool as fuck blowing up Baghdad, but some nice fireworks would have accomplished the same.

At this point, the US Navy is so OP as to become comic relief, and little more.

Ok, but did you see the price on those carriers? wow, it's a nice business. Who cares about naval power? Let's make some more money, and some F35 too!

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Re: The Mess

Post by TheReal_ND » Wed Nov 30, 2016 9:12 pm

Ayyy Paulus made it 8-)

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Re: The Mess

Post by Paulo » Wed Nov 30, 2016 9:22 pm

TheReal_ND wrote:Ayyy Paulus made it 8-)
And with the avatar and stuff. :D
and Smitty thought that he could get rid of me... no way jose.

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Re: The Mess

Post by clubgop » Wed Nov 30, 2016 9:24 pm

TheReal_ND wrote:Ayyy Paulus made it 8-)
How? Why? Isnt the entire country sitting shiva over that soccer team?

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Re: The Mess

Post by Paulo » Wed Nov 30, 2016 9:59 pm

clubgop wrote:
TheReal_ND wrote:Ayyy Paulus made it 8-)
How? Why? Isnt the entire country sitting shiva over that soccer team?
Man, what a sad thing. We knew those guys. It was really a catastrophe! Some of them were flying for the first time. Horrible thing.
Let's leave it at that.

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Re: The Mess

Post by C-Mag » Wed Nov 30, 2016 10:03 pm

Sergeant of the Mess, a Yank requests to be heard.

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Re: The Mess

Post by TheReal_ND » Wed Nov 30, 2016 10:25 pm

I think it became a boat at :47 :lol: