The Armory - Guns, Knives, and Axes

[Smitty-48]

Damn ... 8.5”?

Sweet deal for Canadians.

In Canada, the minimum overall length for your shotgun, is 66cm, to give you a comparison; an M4, with the stock fully collapsed, is 75cm, so 66cm is plenty short enough for any CQB scenario.

[DBTrek]

Yeah, minimum shotgun length in the US is 66cm too.
But the barrel has to be at least 18in (45.7cm)

[Smitty-48]

Due to the wording of the law, 8.5 inch barrel, 66cm overall length, the popular 12 gauge shorty in Canada, is the Dominion Arms Grizzly, it's an 870 mod.



But like I say, you can just do it yourself, get a police 870 and install the 8.5 inch barrel, same-same basically.

[DBTrek]

Due to the wording of the law, 8.5 inch barrel, 66cm overall length, the popular 12 gauge shorty in Canada, is the Dominion Arms Grizzly, it's an 870 mod.

Awwww damn.
That looks fun.
Definitely a better home defense configuration than what we get stuck with:



Imagine walking around your house with that and trying to move down stairwells without dropping aim.

[Smitty-48]

Shotguns are in a sweet spot in Canader, the gun grabbers here have no problem convincing people on handgun restrictions, and "assault" weapon restrictions, but when it comes to 12 gauge pumps, that's where they can't make any headway, nobody is willing to give up their 12 gauge pumps, and so long as it has a stock on it, it's doesn't fall into the realm of "scary", even tho it's a serious killing machine, could take a grizzly bear down with it, but that's gun grabbing for you, it's all fallacy.

[Speaker to Animals]

One mass shooting in a school now and they'd come after them.

Imagine what would happen with a Saiga-12 and a few of those twenty round magazines.

[Smitty-48]

The bears save us from the gun grabbers going below the threshold of 12 gauge pump, as in Canada, you have to have the minimum capacity to defend yourself from a bear coming into your house, even the most sympathetic to the gun grabbers, agree that you can't take that away.

If it's directly linked to urban crime, they get a lot of leeway, but when it's rural guns related, they can't make any headway at all, even the socialists have a rural gun owners cohort which won't go there.

You can have a semi-automatic shotgun in Canada, but that requires a restricted FAC, and the minimum barrel length for a semi-auto shotgun is 14 inches.

Personally, I don't find a semi-auto shotgun to be necessary, five round cylinder, two mounted holders, and a pocket full o' shells, hand load and shoot all day, plenty fast enough for any realistic tactical scenario.

[Smitty-48]

Imagine walking around your house with that and trying to move down stairwells without dropping aim.

The work around would be to just shoot from the hip, I mean, if it's point blank, you can go ahead and hold it low, you ain't gonna miss with 00 buck from there. I would submit, you're probably more accurate to place buckshot center of mass from the hip with the full on gauge than you are from the wrist with the .410 Judge. With the kick on the Judge and the short barrel, unsupported from the wrist, you're likely to miss high, right over him, with the full on gauge, supported from the hip, the deflection is low, so if you don't hit him in the chest, you'll hit him in the guts.

[TheReal_ND]

I had a maverick 88 field gun that was supposed to be a dual hunting and home protection deal. Got rid of it and would probably get a little shorter shotgun next time but I didnt feel like it would be a hinderance in my apartment at all. Im not familiar with cqc but it seemed like a simple enough task to roughly level the barrel and let the goose shot do its thing. Longer shotguns pattern badly at those ranges I guess but I never anticipated pumping off more than a couple shots and either watching someone go down/run away or jumping back to cover and holing up.

[Smitty-48]

I agree, I don't have any problem using the 870 at close quarters, I was weaned on doing CQB with a FN FAL, so the tactical 870 feels very compact to me, like I say, it's shorter than a fully collapsed M4, so unless it's tunnel rat duty or something like that, I'm very comfortable with the gauge at point blank.

I'd honestly be perfectly comfortable with the FN FAL too, no problemo. There's no angle nor obstacle I can't negotiate tactically up in here with a long gun, ain't no thang.

And bear in mind, even with a handgun, I wouldn't sweep and clear through the house at full extension over the front sight, keep it tight to you, drive it out on the front sight if there is a target, but if it's right on top of you, feel free to shoot from the hip too, or what I like to do, is half way between, I just pull it back tight to the body and shoot from the chest, use your free hand to ward him off, while you shoot from tight, just don't shoot yourself in the hand, sweep your free arm up and away when you fire. You can also have a CQC knife in that free hand too, that way you're warding with much more bite if you encounter someone right on top of you. Defend your gun, keep it tight to you with the knife, if a point blank ambush, you strike out with the knife, while you pull the gun back with the rest of you to shoot them as necessary.