The current crop of left wing debaters is weak

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Post by Okeefenokee » Fri Jul 07, 2017 5:47 pm

Martin Hash wrote:
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Smitty-48 wrote:Technically, the Second Amendment is inherently revolutionary, and the associated purpose of the Well Regulated Militia, would be to stave off a counterrevolution.
The militia was intended as our initial standing army against foreign invasion - not to overthrow the government.

The intent of the 2nd has nothing to do with revolution, we've just decided to make it that way.
Bullshit, you're not a lawyer, and obviously not a student of history either; the disunited States were scared to death of centralized government, and wouldn't sign the Constitution unless they were promised guns to protect themselves from it.

p.s. The REAL reason Lefties want to take your guns away.
yessssss,
The First 10 Amendments to the
Constitution as Ratified by the States

December 15, 1791

Preamble

Congress OF THE United States
begun and held at the City of New York, on Wednesday
the Fourth of March, one thousand seven hundred and eighty nine.

THE Conventions of a number of the States having at the time of their adopting the Constitution, expressed a desire, in order to prevent misconstruction or abuse of its powers, that further declaratory and restrictive clauses should be added: And as extending the ground of public confidence in the Government, will best insure the beneficent ends of its institution.

RESOLVED by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America, in Congress assembled, two thirds of both Houses concurring, that the following Articles be proposed to the Legislatures of the several States, as Amendments to the Constitution of the United States, all or any of which Articles, when ratified by three fourths of the said Legislatures, to be valid to all intents and purposes, as part of the said Constitution; viz.:

ARTICLES in addition to, and Amendment of the Constitution of the United States of America, proposed by Congress, and ratified by the Legislatures of the several States, pursuant to the fifth Article of the original Constitution.
it's not like they didn't write down their meaning.
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Re: The current crop of left wing debaters is weak

Post by Speaker to Animals » Fri Jul 07, 2017 5:52 pm

This was the quote from which the amendment was eventually derived:

"The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. A well regulated militia, composed of the body of the people, trained to arms, is the best and most natural defense of a free country."
- James Madison, I Annals of Congress 434, June 8, 1789

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Re: The current crop of left wing debaters is weak

Post by Okeefenokee » Fri Jul 07, 2017 5:53 pm

GrumpyCatFace wrote:I'll accept that a number of the Framers no doubt intended to provide the ability to rise up against tyranny - this is already known. But the wording of the document is clearly not there solely for that purpose. I'd imagine that there was lengthy discussion, and this was the compromise that was reached.
can you read?
THE Conventions of a number of the States having at the time of their adopting the Constitution, expressed a desire, in order to prevent misconstruction or abuse of its powers, that further declaratory and restrictive clauses should be added: And as extending the ground of public confidence in the Government, will best insure the beneficent ends of its institution.
That is the preamble to the bill of rights, where it is written in plain english that the reason these amendments are being added is because the states want these things added so they can,

prevent misconstruction or abuse of its powers
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Re: The current crop of left wing debaters is weak

Post by Okeefenokee » Fri Jul 07, 2017 5:58 pm

California wrote:I learned something from Dennis Prager today, and this is why the current crop of left wing debaters is weak everywhere

This acronym perfectly describes the way that all of the Left, not just the looney SJW left, stifles debate with hatred and accusations of thought crime

Sexist
Intolerant
Xenophobic

Homophobic
Islamophobic
Racist
Bigoted

SIX HIRB NIGGA
:lol:

needs some work
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Re: The current crop of left wing debaters is weak

Post by SuburbanFarmer » Fri Jul 07, 2017 9:22 pm

Okeefenokee wrote:
GrumpyCatFace wrote:I'll accept that a number of the Framers no doubt intended to provide the ability to rise up against tyranny - this is already known. But the wording of the document is clearly not there solely for that purpose. I'd imagine that there was lengthy discussion, and this was the compromise that was reached.
can you read?
THE Conventions of a number of the States having at the time of their adopting the Constitution, expressed a desire, in order to prevent misconstruction or abuse of its powers, that further declaratory and restrictive clauses should be added: And as extending the ground of public confidence in the Government, will best insure the beneficent ends of its institution.
That is the preamble to the bill of rights, where it is written in plain english that the reason these amendments are being added is because the states want these things added so they can,

prevent misconstruction or abuse of its powers
A number of them, yes. Not specified whether this is to mean a majority or even a significant number, but
Some of them.

I did read gud.
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Post by TheReal_ND » Fri Jul 07, 2017 9:22 pm

Insufferable

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Post by Okeefenokee » Fri Jul 07, 2017 9:59 pm

GrumpyCatFace wrote:
Okeefenokee wrote:
GrumpyCatFace wrote:I'll accept that a number of the Framers no doubt intended to provide the ability to rise up against tyranny - this is already known. But the wording of the document is clearly not there solely for that purpose. I'd imagine that there was lengthy discussion, and this was the compromise that was reached.
can you read?
THE Conventions of a number of the States having at the time of their adopting the Constitution, expressed a desire, in order to prevent misconstruction or abuse of its powers, that further declaratory and restrictive clauses should be added: And as extending the ground of public confidence in the Government, will best insure the beneficent ends of its institution.
That is the preamble to the bill of rights, where it is written in plain english that the reason these amendments are being added is because the states want these things added so they can,

prevent misconstruction or abuse of its powers
A number of them, yes. Not specified whether this is to mean a majority or even a significant number, but
Some of them.

I did read gud.
look at him go with those goalposts. :lol:

get back here. those aren't yours!

pissypuss argues, with no evidence, that the bill of rights, specifically the second amendment, has nothing to do with protecting against tyrannical government, but was simply a measure to ensure that a new nation could legally possess the arms necessary to defend itself from external enemies.

we could spend a lot of time laughing at that one. that a nation would need to dictate that it's military had a right to bear arms... :lol:

guess we need to drag a whole heap of foreign nations into the UN for having armies without having written that right into their laws.

then the noble scholar... oh shit,
GrumpyCatFace wrote:I'm really not interested in reading through the documented arguments of Constitutional framers
then self admitted ignoramus, when presented with the text he couldn't be bothered to read before launching into yet another demonstration of world class ignorance, responds with,

well yeah but it might not have been all of them. not that I could tell you. i'm not really interested in reading through it.

/turns to the right

For anyone else reading this, here's what happened.

Madison shows up and says, hey folks how bout this constitution?

Folks say, looks like the government's gonna be pretty strong. Got any protections?

Madison says, yeah. We'll put some in.

Folks say, uh. We wasn't clear. Put them in first, or we ain't signing.

Madison goes back to quill and paper, them folks want protections against tyranny, so here's some protections against tyranny.

Folks say, alright. We're in.

fast-forward to grumps. /hits bong. you know man, the founders never meant any of this stuff to be about oppressive government. they just put that stuff in there so the army could have guns and stuff. what? did i read the anti-federalist papers? nah dude. i'm not really interested in that stuff. reading that stuff is just the man's way of keeping you down. /hits bong
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Post by SuburbanFarmer » Fri Jul 07, 2017 11:29 pm

Le sigh. Ok jackalope. Pics of your missile launcher please?
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Post by TheReal_ND » Sat Jul 08, 2017 12:07 am

Pics of my cc s&w sub sonic 45 with a suppressor that will peg you twice in the chest if I see you pointing an rpg at my volunteer fire fighters?

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Post by Okeefenokee » Sat Jul 08, 2017 12:46 am

GrumpyCatFace wrote:Le sigh. Ok jackalope. Pics of your missile launcher please?
i'll shoot you in your ugly mug if you don't get back here with those damn goalposts!

:lol:

look at him run folks. you'd think they were doing a remake of forest gump.

makes a claim. gets slammed.

makes a new claim. gets called out for abandoning the previous claim.

triples down with yet a third claim, completely abandoning the first two claims.

/hits bong hey man, none of that stuff was about tyranny. that was just so the army could legally carry guns.

/bitchslapped with facts

but dude, maybe not all the states said that. like i said, i'm not really interested in it

/bitchslapped with facts

you know, man. i don't see any rocket launchers around here /bong hit

thanks pisspuss. i don't know how we'd get by without you reliably showing up to argue shit you admittedly know fuck all about
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