Maybe it's not Capitalism or Liberalism

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Re: Maybe it's not Capitalism or Liberalism

Post by StCapps » Tue Nov 21, 2017 2:15 pm

DrYouth wrote:
Okeefenokee wrote:
DrYouth wrote: How could a White Ethno State in America be a "German Ethno State"?

Please elaborate.
It's going back to the idea of Anglo-Saxon vs Celt rather than how it's all been boiled down to just white.
I'm still not getting this...

Is the premise that America was always a white ethno state (like Germany)... and it was a mistake allowing it to become a "multiethnic" state... and that this is the root of American instablilty?

Is that the premise?

In other words - America would have been better not abolishing slavery and not rolling back Jim Crow... and not allowing non-white immigration.

I just want to understand the competing arguments here....
One of StA's argument is that US immigration reform in 1965 was a bad idea, and he would like to slow down the trend which will result in white's eventually becoming a minority in America.

Another of StA's arguments, he believes that most viable white ethno state in America, would be one based on a white racial identity, as opposed an ethno state based on a single ethnicity. Germania or Bust, is the argument that most viable white ethno state in America, would be based on one ethnic group that happens to be white, most likely Germans, as opposed to one based on a white racial identity.

But basically the ethnostate debate has devolved into both sides arguing past each other and attacking strawmen of each others positions. The term "ethnostate" triggers the forum and most folks cannot discuss the topic rationally, without visions of a dystopia either being the impetus for creating a white ethno state, or the result of creating a white ethno state.

I tried to keep them on topic, and away from fantasies of the sky falling, but SIFCLFs often can't be reasoned with, their delusions are too tightly held. If you ever went back and read those threads Youth, you would realize that me and Smitty were like the only folks talking any sense, while the tide of reactionary bullshit on both sides of the argument lashed out anyone disagreeing with them.
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Re: Maybe it's not Capitalism or Liberalism

Post by Okeefenokee » Tue Nov 21, 2017 4:58 pm

DrYouth wrote:
Okeefenokee wrote:
DrYouth wrote: How could a White Ethno State in America be a "German Ethno State"?

Please elaborate.
It's going back to the idea of Anglo-Saxon vs Celt rather than how it's all been boiled down to just white.
I'm still not getting this...

Is the premise that America was always a white ethno state (like Germany)... and it was a mistake allowing it to become a "multiethnic" state... and that this is the root of American instablilty?

Is that the premise?

In other words - America would have been better not abolishing slavery and not rolling back Jim Crow... and not allowing non-white immigration.

I just want to understand the competing arguments here....
None of them are my positions, so I don't want to get them wrong, but old school racial identity didn't have as much to do with being white as much as it did what kind of white.

Even though you might say white America, you knew that didn't mean that scots and brits were equal simply by both being white.

That doesn't really mean much to most people today. It's become simply skin color, where all white people are just white people, unlike the past. So the idea of a white ethno state would include all white people under today's definition, but only germans, or only poles, under the old definition.

So the argument was about which kind of white ethno state you mean when you talk about creating one today. Smitty said germans only (including the brits in with them I assume). Speaker said everyone. I think Capps was germans only also.
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Re: Maybe it's not Capitalism or Liberalism

Post by StCapps » Tue Nov 21, 2017 5:59 pm

Okeefenokee wrote:So the argument was about which kind of white ethno state you mean when you talk about creating one today. Smitty said germans only (including the brits in with them I assume). Speaker said everyone. I think Capps was germans only also.
Almost. We are talking about which kind of white ethno state would the most viable if it were created today, in America.

Me and Smitty are on team "Germania or Bust", StA is on team "Pan-White Racial Identity",
Basically:
Mono-Ethnic Ethno State vs. Multi-Ethnic Ethno State
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Re: Maybe it's not Capitalism or Liberalism

Post by Hanarchy Montanarchy » Tue Nov 21, 2017 6:03 pm

multi-ethnic ethno-state
:whistle:
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Re: Maybe it's not Capitalism or Liberalism

Post by DrYouth » Tue Nov 21, 2017 6:08 pm

StCapps wrote: Almost. We are talking about which kind of white ethno state would the most viable if it were created today, in America.

Me and Smitty are on team "Germania or Bust", StA is on team "Pan-White Racial Identity",
Basically:
Mono-Ethnic Ethno State vs. Multi-Ethnic Ethno State
You think a German Ethno state would be the most viable TODAY?

:shock:

German

:shock:

How? How many German speaking americans are there in the US today?

I am completely gobsmacked.

A White Ethno State is a also a stretch... How would this work practically speaking?
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Re: Maybe it's not Capitalism or Liberalism

Post by StCapps » Tue Nov 21, 2017 6:09 pm

Hanarchy Montanarchy wrote:multi-ethnic ethno-state
:whistle:
Eg. Liberia
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Re: Maybe it's not Capitalism or Liberalism

Post by Okeefenokee » Tue Nov 21, 2017 6:11 pm

Hanarchy Montanarchy wrote:multi-ethnic ethno-state
:whistle:
White ethnicities in America aren't even based on European descent anymore. It's all regional. White's in Dixie are different than whites in Yankeedom, no matter where their great grandparents came from.

Calling out all the Germans means you're gonna have people from all over the country who have no chance at all of getting along showing up.

Calling out all white people would mean the same thing.
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Re: Maybe it's not Capitalism or Liberalism

Post by Hanarchy Montanarchy » Tue Nov 21, 2017 6:11 pm

DrYouth wrote:
StCapps wrote: Almost. We are talking about which kind of white ethno state would the most viable if it were created today, in America.

Me and Smitty are on team "Germania or Bust", StA is on team "Pan-White Racial Identity",
Basically:
Mono-Ethnic Ethno State vs. Multi-Ethnic Ethno State
You think a German Ethno state would be the most viable TODAY?

:shock:

German

:shock:

How? How many German speaking americans are there in the US today?

I am completely gobsmacked.

A White Ethno State is a also a stretch... How would this work practically speaking?
You've been away for a while.

Some of your countrymen have taken to defending the idea of a German ethno-state within the borders of the US of A in order not to appear too liberal.

Oh, and StA has decided that just about everything taught in a Critical Race Theory major is true.

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Re: Maybe it's not Capitalism or Liberalism

Post by StCapps » Tue Nov 21, 2017 6:13 pm

DrYouth wrote:You think a German Ethno state would be the most viable TODAY?

:shock:

German

:shock:

How? How many German speaking americans are there in the US today?

I am completely gobsmacked.
Most populous white ethnicity in America, what's gobsmacking about it?
DrYouth wrote:A White Ethno State is a also a stretch... How would this work practically speaking?
Neither option is particularly viable in America, but at least the German-Americans have more in common with one another then they do with all other white ethnicities. Think of it as German Quebec in America.
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Re: Maybe it's not Capitalism or Liberalism

Post by Hanarchy Montanarchy » Tue Nov 21, 2017 6:14 pm

StCapps wrote:
Hanarchy Montanarchy wrote:multi-ethnic ethno-state
:whistle:
Eg. Liberia
I know what you think you mean.

The klaxon should be ringing when we are using a phrase that is contradictory on its own terms though. It is one of those super cool hints the gods give us that we might be wandering into the uncharted realms of the absurd.
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